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Unsealed - Disclosure by Biden or Trump. With the debate tonight, let's talk about the facts and possible scenarios.




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Hey everybody, welcome back to Unsealed, the official podcast of Wings of the Eagle. I'm Christopher. Good day to you. We're in the midst of summer, certainly in my country right now. Everybody's really hot. And hopefully you can take a chill pill, hang out with us for a few minutes here today. And of course, your input is welcome. If you're watching or listening live, please go ahead and type in your question or comment or concern or what have you. Whether you're watching on Facebook, YouTube or the X platform or even Instagram. It's always exciting. I guess Instagram works. I never get any feedback from it, but whatever. We are here for you. And if you're just listening on audio after the fact, we love you as well. Please see our Patreon page, patreon.com slash wings of the Eagle. There are several ways to support what we do here on the podcast, even if it's an open-ended giving of your choice or to get something in return, like the aviary, which is, you can see below, you can find out all about that book. If you're a Christian, please pray for that. It's going to be a pretty good slog here to get that finished, but I think we're supposed to do it. So help us do it. Okay. Praise God. And if you are not a believer in Jesus the Messiah, I encourage you to do that today. You don't know if you're going to wake up tomorrow. That's why. Get repented up. Holy Spirit will be there for you and live a new life. Be reborn, born again. Okay. However, tonight, I was going to talk about something different until like just a few, like within the hour. Because tonight we have a, to be honest with you, a very unappealing episode. must miss tv a debate um between joe biden and donald trump our current president and our former one and unfortunately thank you bry appreciate your brother he's sharing on facebook from youtube bless the lord um thank you man really appreciate you doing that really truly by the way y'all please do that that would be great um But anyway, yeah, so it's a debate. I'm really kind of annoyed, and I'm not going to talk about this today, but it's really a shame that they couldn't get Kennedy or wouldn't allow him on the stage as well because, for goodness sakes, most people are very unexcited about both of these octogenarians losing their minds up there. even even kennedy's 70 right isn't he and he talks funny um but at least give somebody a choice other than these two ding-dongs um so anyway with the only the only several people have asked me including my own mother are you gonna are you gonna watch a debate I'm like no I don't see any point in it. The questions will be nonsense. As usual, there'll be talking points. Thank God. Apparently, there'll be no audience, live audience there to just be cheerleaders or boors. And they'll actually try to mute the microphones of the guys so they can't just go on and on over their time, which is all good. But for goodness sake, let Kennedy in this. Anyway, the point is... Um, the only, honestly, the only thing at this point that I care about, and mostly because of the question, not even the answers that you would get, because I don't believe any answer you get right now. They're, they're saying what they need to say. Um, they're, you know, especially Donald Trump has been documented will liar. It will say literally anything. to keep and get power so I'm not doesn't matter what he actually says to this but the question uh would be about disclosing it's a popular word it's good enough uh disclosure which is basically revealing what our government knows about ufos and all associated um you know, tangential realities based on that, like the real history, like retrieving craft and bodies. And what is up with all that? And why would we, why did we do it? And why'd we hide it? And all, and as president, technically, I mean, if you want to be legal about it, um, of course the president can declassify in office, uh, and announce whatever he wants. Of course, once you leave office, you can't do that anymore or take things with you. Okay, let's just clear that up. But anyways, they can do it tomorrow. Biden can do it tomorrow. Does he seem like he is interested in that? No. Is he even informed about it? Probably not. And I think this is one of the big assumptions that we got very wrong as people who care about this UFO issue and what the government knows. And... you know, revealing it and what's the best way to do that. Cause we've now had, you know, Congress is kind of involved. Like some of them are involved. Some are not, some are, uh, opposed to letting things out. It's, it's a real civil war going on in there, um, in the Congress. But, um, so that's kind of, you know, that's been happening for a few years, honestly, several years. Um, but, uh, now it's been out in the open for about a year now. And, um, Nothing much has changed because there's still many, most everyone in the government and the special access programs and the Pentagon and the intelligence communities and so forth. They don't want anything to come out, period. So nothing will. Now, the problem is, are presidents informed? The evidence is, no, they're not. And there are two modern examples. I'm thinking of two of my brand. One is definitely at the top of my memory, which is Jimmy Carter asking for the full slate of information. after he was elected, but before he was sworn in. So this is that lame duck or whatever period, like December 1976. And so he wasn't officially president yet. So it's this whole transition period. Okay, transition, not lame duck. The transition period. And he's trying to set up his cabinet and whatnot. And the CIA director at this time is a man named George Bush. and yes the first president bush eventually um but he was cia director and um and carter said okay I want you know ready for me I want this um all the ufo info because jimmy carter saw ufo himself and he was very interested in it um But Mr. Bush apparently told him, unless you promise that I'll be your CIA leader, the answer is no. He really had no legal right to do that. But he did. President Reagan, after him, also is a famous UFO, had a UFO encounter. And Nancy Reagan as well, same time. They were together when it happened. Anyways, so Bill Clinton seemed like he was very interested in it, but not interested enough. And that's the closest probably we've ever come is Panetta, right? One of his guys, one of Clinton's staff was actually really trying to do it. He was really trying to get the info. But again, continuously told, you don't need to know. We don't have the access, yada, yada. This is all illegal. You can't say that. I mean, if you're being strictly legal, there's a chain of command. There's a constitutional situation. The president is the chief executive. Everything in his branch of government he's in control over or he or she has the final say over everything. And the Pentagon is part of the executive branch. And the intelligence community is part of the executive branch. It's not part of Congress. It's not part of the Supreme Court. So the president has complete and total authority to know everything. And for him or his secretaries, like Secretary of Defense or whatever, all those cabinet-level people who represent the president, they cannot ever be told that they can't access it. But yet they are. So what's going on? Anyway, so the evidence seems to be that even though some are interested and some are not in exposing what's going on, nobody's willing to do it. And they're probably not told much of anything. And I know there's some excitement or confidence or hope that we're going on the word of Donald Trump, which is a bad idea, always. about when he was in office and it was brought up by his son one time. And I get maybe one other venue that I forget. But it was not a serious question from a reporter. It was not challenged. He was not asked to produce any evidence or do anything about it. But apparently he said he was told about Roswell and it was very interesting. Oh, that's just about the UAP incident. What was it? That was... Stephanopoulos, I guess, when he was at ABC, asked him about, I think, about the pilot seeing these things. And he gave this wishy-washy, crummy, stupid answer, sorry, about, oh, these pilots think they see these things. And I believe that they think they see them or something like that. Like, what are you talking about? So, any hope that, anyway, this wishy-washy answer about Roswell, oh, it's very interesting, and people are interested in it, and, you know, it's very, and that's when his son said, oh, you were told about it, right? He's like, yeah, I was told a little, or something like that. I don't believe any of that. Frankly, even if he was told, even if he was briefed somehow, and he asked, he never showed any care about that subject at all. Kennedy assassination, same thing. He did make sure some extra stuff came out under his watch, but the good stuff never did because, again, he chickened out. He chickened out because somebody told him, oh, national security, national security, we won't be trusted the same way again. Well, no kidding. That's because you're hiding it. Everyone knows. But what exactly, you just won't say. And we're just supposed to forget about it and roll over. Even the guy at the top is supposed to roll over. So anyway, the point is, there's no reason to have hope that Donald Trump would release anything. Zero. There's also no hope that Biden would release anything. There really isn't. We've had almost a whole term now with him, and the White House side has done nothing. In fact, if you want to look at it as a unit with the Arrow office and the DOD and the Office of National Intelligence and the National Security Advisor, all those people that would have a voice or a contribution to this topic with the president have all been either totally against it or talking out of both sides of their mouth. But never has it been pushed by anyone in the White House or any one of his representatives or anyone in the senior in the DOD or CIA or anything like that. Yes, let's push this out. Let's move the ball. Never. So let's theorize. I don't personally think that if everything's just pretty normal, I mean, that hasn't been normal in this country for a little bit here. But let's just say the next election goes off without any major issues. And whoever it is gets in and does nothing because there's no reason to. Status quo, let's move on to something else. I think that's probably the best bet. Um, that's why something else has to be done from underneath. Um, the, what we've seen the past year, four or five years, that type of thing, only way more, far more. In fact, to the point of breaking your NDA. Okay. Lou Elizondo. Not to call you out. But anyone who's in that situation, oh, I can't say my NDA. Anyway, I'll do a show about that later. Maybe next week. But, okay, can I envision a scenario where something would be disclosed? Possibly. Let's, obviously the outside, number one, the scenario that would do it the fastest and whatever it would be the outside influence scenario, where it's nothing to do with the president, but he has to respond now because it's out there without him. And our entire government has nothing to do with it. That means either another country does it, China or Russia. They're really the only ones with a lot of info. that I could tell, or Great Britain. The five I's, they're not going to go against each other. It's not going to be Canada, Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand, or America. If one doesn't, they all won't do it. But if someone else does it, like an adversary, like China or Russia, who else would even have info? Israel and India, maybe? There may be the next ones up. But the point is that we know Russia and China have programs to retrieve UFOs, to shoot them or recover them. and to reverse engineer them just like we do. So it could be one of those two countries. They could force the issue before the election or after whatever, at some point they could just say tomorrow, China can come out and say, Hey guys, here's the truth. Here's the proof. America's doing it too. Here's what we got. And here's what we know. And here's the proof that America knows or whatever. They could do that. Russia could do that. And I, I mean, China, maybe just to, you know, they're going to the moon now, China. So they got a lot of money and a lot of hardware and ambition. And nukes. So they could do it. Russia could be, they're losing in Ukraine. They're going through so many soldiers and and ammo and money and their economies being crippled and all that stuff. So they could feel Putin could feel like an animal that he is, excuse me, dictator, uh, Imperial invader. Um, he might just feel pack against the wall. I got nothing to lose. I'm going to pull this card out anyway. So it could be Russia or China could do it first. Or of course, uh, If there is one or more, but some intelligence or the thing behind the UFO issue, whatever it is, you think it's aliens, you think it's something else, whatever it is, they make the move. It makes the move. It does the stereotypical thousand flying saucers over Washington, D.C. and lanes on the White House lawn type of thing. Something like that. Something you can't deny. It's on the world's TVs. They're not obfuscating. Everyone can see it. There's no denying it anymore. This is real and whatever they are, they're here and here we go. That. That could happen. That's all outside. Now we have to respond. The president's like, yeah, we actually kind of knew about that and here's why we didn't tell you or whatever. That could force the issue. But if it's not that, it's not the phenomenon itself and if it's not russia or china um again it would have to be like backed into a corner like you know putin would be only with joe biden joe biden if if they um his campaign thinks they're gonna lose if it's coming up to october polls don't look good. Maybe they're the same as now. Maybe they're worse. Maybe there's some event. Maybe he makes another incredible mental mistake or flub or has some kind of medical episode. They could be coming into November with seriously down in the polls. And now they've got to get desperate. And, well, we could do this. We've got this in the quiver. This could be our last hope of, you know, saying, yes, we're in control. You know... produce the confidence or try to restore trust in government or whatever by being the first people in his, the first administration in 80 years to tell you the truth about the UFO thing and what we've done and what we've covered up. And we're going to admit to our sins, right? We're going to admit to our coverups and crimes, the whole thing. Maybe not all that, but it's kind of hard to believe actually admitting fault in anything is very hard to believe. But here's what we know. Here's what we recovered. This is true. These are the contractors working with us or whatever, something like that. Yeah, it's possible. I don't know how likely. But if, yeah, if they're down in the polls by 20 points and it's October, they might. In fact, that's probably your best chance, in my opinion. for it to happen with either one of these dudes. Honestly, if Kennedy was part of this, and if Joe Biden goes really down in the polls, maybe Trump doesn't pick up those votes. Maybe Kennedy does. And now we've got a real crisis, right? And what if he would say as a kicker to push them over the top, maybe give them actually a chance to win or to be competitive in these other – some of these states that would really make it interesting. Maybe he would say I pledge even though we – he hasn't been elected to anything yet, so I can't say he's a liar about promises. We know the other guys wouldn't mean it. But it's possible he could say, I swear, if I'm elected, if you elect me, I will demand and release everything about UFOs. He has said that. I mean, just being honest. He has said he would do that. Is it just to get a little bump in the polls? Possibly, yeah. But does he really mean it? He might. He might. You might. By the way, this is Unsealed, the official podcast of Wings of the Eagle. Christopher is me. Find me on X at Manti4, M-A-N-T-E-I-4. Go to Patreon.com slash Wings of the Eagle to support us or just give whatever you can because you love what we do. And this is totally funded by you. There's no big anything behind us whatsoever, guys. Nothing. It's just individuals. That's it. So let's, if you want to be on the team, be one of our of our little eagles out there uh let's let's do it okay um would love to partner with you um anyways so if kennedy doesn't get involved if he doesn't you know for some reason bring it up and biden doesn't see the need to bring it up I don't think it'll ever come up um trump has again just based on his previous comments um about it it seems like he's not serious Again, with the caveat that if things are going really bad or if he doesn't know what else to do and he's not getting over the hump where he needs to get as far as votes, again, we're coming up to October now and he's lagging and nothing's working and he's pulled out all the insults and all the outrageousness and nothing's working. MAGA's tapped out. There's no more to give. He might, again, use this just to push him over the top. Again, I have no confidence that he would actually do it if he won because of that. But he's totally so loose, canon-minded, like he doesn't care about anything except his power, right? So, well, if he sees, look, I'm almost 80. If I lose this, I'll probably go to jail. And so I got to do whatever I can do to not have that. So he might just blurb what he knows, right? Whatever that is. And I don't think it would be much. But let's say he does have some small, you know, he was briefed one time or whatever, and he got some nugget of information that we don't know that is classified. And he unclassifies it just by saying it because he said that before, right? I don't care if I leave office. It's still unclassified if I say so. He's used this defense in this documents case. So, okay, fine. That's what you believe. Go for it. And just blab all the classified stuff that you know about UFOs. That's possible. Not really probable. I would not bet anything on that. But maybe. Again, it's desperation is a common theme. Desperation would be the what does it. What drives it home. It's not... It's not interest in the subject. It's not national security. It's not being forthright with the American people. It's not gaining their trust. It's not being open and honest in government. None of that matters. They don't care about that. They care about winning. And so desperation of not winning will drive it. And you all have to understand that. And I'm saying that as a political person, okay? Again, I've been in politics and grassroots organization and running campaigns for, I've been on presidential campaigns, US Senate, ran the campaign for US Senate. Not me personally, I ran the campaign for the candidate. But the point is, I know a little bit of what I'm saying. I know what people are, what energizes politicians, especially those running for national office. And people's little interests and side issues, it's not going to do it. And UFOs are a side issue. They're not a major issue. So unless and until they become one, they will not care. They don't care what's going on, how illegal it is, what they know or don't know, how much trust the people have. They don't care. Do I have anything else on this to say? Probably not. So that's my honest take on it. Again, desperation would drive it. I don't see any other scenario. I don't think if Biden gets reelected, he's all of a sudden going to open up the UFO files. Again, there's just no evidence of that in his administration. There's no appetite for it. Don't see it. And again, unless Trump is going to lose votes and lose elections, he's not going to do it either. So Kennedy, as an individual, maybe is your best chance. I don't see that happening. Some another country to do it or the UFO phenomenon itself forces the issue. Those are your scenarios. So I've done my part. I have gone on X and tagged CNN and Jake Tapper and Dana Bash who are doing the debate tonight and told them this is the only thing I care about. Honestly, I've heard all the answers before. You're not going to break any new ground or get any new voters from anything you ask or anything they say. They're just going to look worse. So I'm not interested. But the UFO issue, I would be. So ask that, CNN. That's my part. If you're interested, you go do the same thing right now. Because the debate is in like seven hours. It is about 1.33 p.m. Eastern time on Thursday, June 27th, 2024. This is the Unsealed podcast from Wings of the Eagle. So let's get to your questions. If you have any questions, comments, concerns, or what have you, please say it. I really wish you would chime in because I see you out there. I see you watching. I really do. I don't see you personally, but I see the numbers of folks who are watching live, so... Let's hear it. Come on, don't be shy. This is your time as well. Bonservant, who is always good for questions and opinions, is chiming in here, so let's check out what she's got to say. I'm not watching. Watching Biden is like watching elder abuse. I heard CNN is going to do a 15-second delay. Well, yeah, like I said earlier, it's like cutting off mics or delay, it's needed, because... It's not good. You say Trump is not interested. Is it possible these past presidents like Carter Clinton, could they have been threatened like physically somehow? Yes. Yes. It's possible. Could I... Do I see how a person who has the reins of power, maybe after they get out of office, they're threatened? Definitely, I could see it more. But while they're there, yes, it's possible. Is it likely? No. Because they played like good little boys when they were there, when they could have done something about it. I mean, I don't know. Maybe. Ross Coulthart has said and has brought up that he says he has been told, and I love Ross. He's one of the only reporters, him and, I mean, they're not the only ones, but the ones who are really on this, Ross and Chris Sharp out of the UK. Isn't it amazing? It's not the American reporters that are doing anything. The actual journalism is being done by the UK and Australia. Anyways, Ross has said that he has been told that Trump was threatened, and that's why he won't say. Again, like, okay, if that's true, I guess, and I'm not saying it is. It seems kind of fishy, honestly, because there's way easier ways to not talk But if he was, then this whole facade about an alpha male tough guy Donald Trump is a lie because he's backing down because some government types are threatening him. That just seems like he would not be okay with that, right? It would seem if this tough guy thing has any truth to it, like he doesn't care what anyone says and he's going to do what he wants, I would think it would go very badly if he was threatened, right? He would fire everyone, right? Fire everyone and get someone in here who will do what I tell him and not threaten me. I'm the president of the United States. How dare you? Like that's the kind of answer I would expect from any of these guys, really, but especially – you know, one who presents himself in that as this, you know, alpha male. And that's what he's all about. So, it's possible. I really don't think I believe it, but... If I were threatened, I would expose it. Tootsweet. Yeah, we know you would. Unfortunately, you're the moral... clarity and spiritual makeup of bond servant is not in the Oval Office in my lifetime. I was born, it was Gerald Ford, and Gerald Ford was because one of the slammiest people ever to live, Richard Nixon, resigned because he was about to be convicted. So ever since then, it's already more, Reagan seemed to be pretty good. Reagan seemed to be pretty good as far as a moral leader, wanted to do the right thing, really was trying to do that and not caring about what anyone else was saying or trying to threaten him in some way. I don't think he would go there. But then again, he was shot, wasn't he? Maybe they tried to Kennedy him and it just didn't work. But of course, he wasn't the same after that mentally either. You want to talk about Joe Biden not being mentally there? Ronald Reagan in the second term was not mentally there. Sorry. Probably the gunshot didn't help. But anyway, George W. Bush also seemed like a basically decent person who cared and was moral. So those types of guys I don't think would be too good with being threatened either but other than those two I really maybe it'll work with the rest of them maybe it would um uh here we go a little little confrontational that's okay honestly brother I think you are a bit off about trump in what way I'm not a Trumper, but I'm getting annoyed by similar talk. I disagree with your intensity. He's an antichrist. I'm never going to vote for him. I'm not going to tell anyone else to vote for him. I think it's a giant mistake. And worse, I mean, he's, again, I don't have a problem with being honest. I'm not voting for either one. Neither should you. As a Christian, definitely not. That's all it is. I mean, he's documented to be not a truth teller, not a Christian, is okay with abortion. I mean, you name it. Other than being really gung-ho on being a dictator and controlling the military of the United States, I don't know what he's about other than personal power. And yes, Joe Biden should be on the retirement home, literally. Yes, he should be in a rocking chair. There's no reason to belabor that just because I can tell the truth about both guys, can I? It's the truth. I mean, again, it's not like I've come to this conclusion lately. I've been consistent about it since 2016. I'm 1,000% consistent. Eight years straight now. Don't vote for Antichrist. Don't vote for people who are immoral and don't care about it. Anyway, so yeah, that's where we're at. Let's keep it on track here with disclosure. Again, I just don't see it. If I had to bet on it, I would say, nope, not going to happen. If there's any chance of it happening... other than the outside influences, like we said, unless it's Russia or China or the UAPs themselves, if none of that happens before November, and it's just these two old fools, excuse me, God forgive me, but They're both disqualified from serving again. But if it's just them, unless they're desperate, 1,000% desperate to address it, to help themselves win, I don't think they will. And it would be very helpful for debate and actual journalism and the debate hosts starting tonight to actually do their darn job And address, you could, I mean, we've got the Senator Chuck Schumer thing from just a couple of months ago. He's the most powerful senator in America. He's the second most powerful person in America, period. And he's talking about UAPs and about special access programs and how we're covering it up and how it needs to be the NHI, non-human intelligence, and all this stuff is being covered up, but we need to expose it to Congress. He's saying that, but nobody cares. The media is just... It's not Republican or Democrat, so I can't run with it. It doesn't make anyone look bad, so let's not run it. I'm not going to look into that stuff. But you know why? Because my national security friends will stop talking to me. Because my Pentagon contacts and my CIA and NSA contacts will wash up and they won't talk to me anymore. Aww. when you actually do your journalism thing. So do your journalism thing, CNN. I know it's a long shot. It's a Hail Mary pass, okay? I get it. But CNN, do your job. Ask them tonight and do not accept a chuckling, derisive, dismissive answer. Get a real answer. Because a lot of us actually do care. From all sides of the aisle. So that's my final word on that. Okay. Remember, this is Unsealed, the official podcast of Wings of the Eagle. Love to have your support. Please do so. Oh, wait, one more. Do you think Grush, meaning David Grush, might do it anyway if the nation was in real danger? In other words, what? Break his NDAs? And reveal everything he knows to the public? I assume that's what you mean. He might. She says, yeah. Maybe. Maybe. He has kind of walked up to that line where basically he felt, my summary personal two cents on this, on David Grush's, I pretty much listened to everything he said. And the consistent message seems to be, I spoke out because no one else would. I took it upon myself, I'll fall on the sword, all that stuff, fine. He's willing to do that. To say the quiet part out loud, as it were, okay? Lou Elizondo is kind of in the same boat. He doesn't know as much as Grush does. Because Grush had not only access across these access programs and across the government, but he was at a higher level. And frankly, he's a genius. I mean, he's a really, really smart guy. And seems calculated, calculated. Everything he's doing or not doing is for a reason. I don't know if I would agree with those reasons, but he has calculated in his own mind about exactly what he's saying, what he does not say. So is there a point where he might just break the NDAs and always go into jail or assume that he's going to jail if he says it? Maybe. And you know what? and it is out of patriotism right but him Alessandro and him and Chris Mellon and several of these and Carl Nell and everyone who's been in the government now who is coming out and speaking out about what they know even if it's only classified you know redacted versions they're all doing it out of a patriotic most of them out of a patriotic duty like I love the country and my country is being hurt it's not better because of the secrecy it's worse And illegal things are happening. Not just not telling Congress, which is definitely illegal and unconstitutional, but you're creating a whole other government, which is obviously illegal. And there's no accountability. There's no voting on your leaders. There's no curtailing your money. You're stealing money from the taxpayers, all that stuff. And crimes, those are crimes, but actual street crimes on top of it, like murder, like threatening, like... Maybe using energy weapons against ourselves. I mean, like all kinds of weird stuff. Kidnappings, torture, like all that. So all those things could, you know, that's what motivated him to come out and say, you know what, if no one's going to say it, I guess I'll start. And hopefully we get 10 more of David's. And then, yes, you're going to have to break your NDAs. If they're not going to do it willingly at some point, you got to just start doing it. I've been reading a book you recommended. I wish y'all would take our advice. It'll be worth your time. Ancient Aliens on the Moon. And the Skinwalker book. Yeah, there's a couple of Skinwalker books. And yeah, thank you. Amazing stuff. It is. At least half the battle, honestly, guys, is knowing what's actually true or what's actually history. Once we know, can we get a baseline on that? I mean, that's what I'm at, right? That's what I'm working at right now. Like what actually happened in real time, in real years with real people? I don't want theories. I don't want supposition. Like I can theorize myself. I'm talking about what actually happened. Who said it? Why? What do we have? What do we not have? What's made up and what's true? What's a cover story and what's a fact, what's a psychological operation and what's just an inconvenient truth or whatever. Right. You get what I'm saying. Um, to separate that just to get a baseline of this happened, Roswell really happened. There was a crash retrieval bodies were recovered or something like that. Just let's start there. And then on and on. Oh my gosh. Uh, There is actually a program that's all about UFOs and no one can talk about it. Otherwise they die or, or threatened with death or go to Leavenworth and, you know, prison forever with no trial. That's what we're at. If that's where we're at, the gloves have got to come off. Nonviolence. That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying for us, NDA is what you agreed to not talk about. You might want to reconsider that. Okay. that's it for today guys. Love you for being here. Thanks for participating. Uh, even if you just watched and thanks for sharing in advance, please do share this with your networks. I know everyone, their mother's got a podcast nowadays. Um, it would be very helpful for teeny tiny ones like us, you know, for this one to get out there. And yeah, I think we're a little different. Um, Christians who talk about UFOs and don't dismiss them as demonic is rare. In fact, if you're one who agrees with me at all on this, let me know who you are. Cause it's very lonely, very lonely. And yes, I would be a guest on your show. Okay. Please just reach out to me on the X or on email, Christopher at wings of the ego.com or whatever. And yes, let's talk about it. I'll be your official subject matter expert on a, you know, from a pastor's point of view, be happy to do it. Okay. Oh, thank you thank you on serving we need more people like you for sure a time we could talk about things yeah we sure we need to we need to need you need to it's high time high time to awake from slumber my friends and uh unfortunately a lot of whether it be the christian church or the rest of the world who thinks they're on top of things and awake and not being fooled by anything you are this one things for sure. Okay. All right, guys. Love you till next time. This is wings of the Eagle unsealed. Bye-bye.



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Ah, hey, yes, my friends, this is the Unsealed podcast, the official podcast of Wings of the Eagle. I'm Christopher, your, hopefully your friend. And if you're a Christian, I'm your brother in Christ. Yes, I'm a pastor. Just so happens that that's where I'm at. But blessings to all y'all. Thank you for checking in. Good evening if you're on the other side of the earth, which our brother here is. Good evening, sir. Love you, man. Thank you for checking in. But even if you're not, even if you're just down the road, bond servant, blessings. Thank you very much for checking in, Bri. Bless the Lord, brother. Yeah, it is interesting, man. Yeah, for sure. So please share this video. I know someone has already done that or a few of you have. Thank you so much. Please share it, especially on YouTube. That's the best way. The X platform is good as well. But YouTube helps us get the word out and sustain what we're doing. So if this is helpful to you, please consider supporting the work. We have a Patreon page in progress right now. It's not finished yet. but it is there for you. I forgot to put my special green lights on in the back. Oh, well. If you're on audio only, obviously, that's irrelevant to you, but I welcome you just the same. Please feel free to share it on Apple Podcasts and Spotify, whatever else. you can find the official page of this podcast at wingsoftheeagle.com slash podcast. And I encourage you to go there because if today's message or topic resonates with you to the point of, wow, I've actually seen something and I'm speaking to Christians specifically, but obviously you don't have to be, but this is, you know, obviously my world, my people. Okay. My people, some of my parishioners, so to speak, are listening to this right now. And so I want to make it okay for you to know that if you're a believer and follower of Jesus Christ, that you can see UFOs too. It doesn't mean something demonic is happening, or you should be worried, or you're going to be laughed at and ridiculed, which most of the time is what happens. So please utilize, there's a form built into the podcast page at wingsoftheeagle.com slash podcast. By the way, you can see all the episodes and hear all the episodes there, as well as find that form and a button to support the work here. So please do that. Any and all of that would be... greatly appreciated okay now there's even a button if by the way if you're not subscribed on youtube to get new notifications when we do go live please go ahead and hit that subscribe button and hit the bell and all that good stuff under this video you also see the links for the pages what I'm talking about okay um Here's the story. All right, I'm just going to get right to it. And then you tell me what you think or whatever. I was traveling this weekend, Friday and Saturday, and just a few hours from my home base, but the current home base. I used to live in northern New Jersey, so I happened to be going through that. area and down the good old new jersey turnpike if you know the area you know that highway it's the main north south artery the only one really uh in new jersey so that goes all the way um a beautiful day saturday morning this past saturday let me in fact let me get my my notes out here so I uh tell the story correctly And by the way, before I forget, because I'm sorry, I'm going to do this first because I'm going to forget. You see on the screen, hopefully you can make it out. I'm running a poll on the X platform. If you follow me there, Manti4, M-A-N-T-E-I-4. Just type that in. That's my name. And I put a poll up last night, so it'll run through tonight at 11 p.m. Eastern. It asks simply, have you ever personally seen a UFO or UAP, whatever you want to call it? Have you ever? The options are never, one time, two times, or three times or more. And as of now, it's not a scientific poll or anything like that, but the people who have answered so far, it's very interesting. The never is the top vote getter at 38.5%, which is not a huge lead over second place, which is three or more times. That's surprising to me. um and basically that means it's over six of ten over 60 you know percent have the people who responded to this and I again please even if you've never seen one doesn't matter just go and say never um more than 60 percent have seen a ufo at least once So I don't know if that blows up your worldview or confirms it. But please go there and participate. OK. Now then, you may know that I have, in my distant past, when I was nine-ish or so years old, at my grandparents' house with my grandma and my brother. One night, she woke us up. Go, hey, look at that. And it's right in over the backyard there. There's a river or a creek, basically, behind our property. And then there's a lot of woods. And then behind that is an old, at that time, was the Ford plant that used to build a Ford Thunderbird car. um anyway so in that area of the sky it's much lower than stars and whatever just a light that was just hanging out okay it's sitting there that's all I remember I can't tell you I didn't see come from or go to anywhere in fact the memory is very short so that's all it is um and that was the extent of my experience until five days ago saturday Driving home, I passed through the same town. In fact, I stopped at the same house where that original event happened just to kind of take a picture. So it's been a while since I was there. And obviously it's built up much more now. There are many more neighbors now than there used to be and whatever. But just got a few photos there and I'm continuing on my way. And as I'm continuing on my way, it is around, and I've made a note of this right after, but it's right around mile marker 44 on the New Jersey Turnpike. If you want to get your Google maps out, which is the near exit five, which is the Burlington Mount Holly exit. The time was approximately 1044 AM. So yes, mile marker 44 at 1044. Make of that what you will. Clear sky, beautiful day, gorgeous day. If you live in the Northeast, the night before was very stormy, right? There was a lot of storms that blew through. And just as normally after summer thunderstorms, there's gorgeous day the next day. So it is almost no clouds. And none in the part of the sky that I'm looking. Which is, you know, straight ahead. Obviously, I'm on the highway. I'm in the fast lane. But there's... The cars are... For New Jersey, it's very empty. There was 10 car lengths between me and the next guy. And... I often, you see those larger black birds. I don't even know. I'm a bird fan. I love birds. I think that's God's greatest creation, basically, other than humans, I guess. Although humans are touch and go. So anyway, I love watching them soar over. You know how it is when you have a great day and they're soaring high above the treetops, right? They're just kind of gliding up there and doing their thing. So I saw, and they're kind of solitary. They're never in like packs or whatever. So I saw one as usual, just doing his thing. I'm like, oh, how nice, you know, I'm on this nice day, nice road, calm on my way home. And I see one of these birds, but then behind, I think it's behind the bird. I can't be positive, but it looked like it was behind it. Could have been next to it, but I'm pretty sure it's behind it. I see a, this is just the straight truth, you guys. Yes, I'm a pastor. Now listen, I'm never going to deny this story. I'm never going to change it. This is exactly what happened. I see an object. It's metallic looking. I mean, reflective or chrome-ish, silvery-ish. Maybe it could have been white, I suppose. But my first, it looks spherical. Spherish, maybe. But it was, to my judging of how far it was, I thought it was pretty far away. Because my first impression was, oh, it's just like a jet that's super high up when they're really cruising. High, you see they look very small. In my vision, it's about that big behind the bird. And I figured it was just one of those. But it wasn't moving. There was no contrail. There was no movement at all. um clearly I'm in my car moving so I couldn't tell you anything about sound or or any other details I'm just trying not to crash at this point okay right I see what what is that and I'm looking down on the road making sure I'm I'm okay I'm not gonna crash and then but I'm looking up as as much as I can to get detail and thinking oh my gosh is this If this is a UAP UFO thing, I better remember everything right now. No, I can't record it. I'm sorry. I'm in my car. Literally driving with two hands, trying not to crash. Video is not an option. I couldn't pull over. Anyway, the point is it happened so fast. It was only a couple of seconds. And I'm thinking maybe 30 seconds total. And it's gone. It's gone. I didn't see it leave. I didn't see it speed off. It's just one second it's there and it's gone. same area of the sky I didn't pass it right like go under where it was or whatever it was just it was very in the distance still so just so we're clear I don't know if it just disappeared into into another dimension or something or if it sped off so fast I just couldn't tell or something else happened I don't know it was there and then it wasn't that's what happened um what did I miss here on my notes metallic looking sphere-like object completely stationary, never moved, never moved. Thought it may have been a very high plane, but no movement, no contrail, et cetera. Looking at road and back up within 30 seconds, it disappeared. That's it. And so first thing I did was, now again, it could have been I didn't have a lot of eyeball time on it, okay? I don't know how high it was exactly. It was very tough to judge. It seemed pretty high. It seemed like a sphere or an orb, but it could have been different. It could have been a longer, you know, an elongated oval-ish, tic-tac-ish shape. It could have been. I don't know. It could have been one of these guys that... It doesn't keep a shape. If you've seen those videos and stuff, if you've seen one in person, if you have, please comment right now. So I can't say for sure about that, but it was generally round and reflective. It looked metallic, like typical. I couldn't even believe how typical it was. Like, wait, this is exactly what I've seen a hundred times. or heard other people say, or seen on, you know, at military bases and stuff like that. This is one of those, I guess. I don't know. But it was just like that. Super simple. That was the end. First thing I did was I alerted one of my friends, got on the phone, left a voicemail. Hey, this just happened. And now I'm thinking, okay, where am I? Mile marker. What time was it? So I backed up a minute before I left the message. And that was it. Then I came home. I wrote it down in my little book. I did register the sighting because I don't know what else it was. I see planes all the time. I look at things in the sky all the time. I like looking up there. I like stars. I like planes. I like birds. Okay. I like all the things up there. I can honestly say I've never seen that to my remembrance ever. But there was. And it was gone. Anyway, I registered the sighting with MUFON. MUFON has a giant database that tracks these things, and I use that. If you know, they are Mutual UFO Network, MUFON. They're the oldest in the world, I think, at this point. And then also as a backup, because MUFON has had issues with their database recently, things disappearing or getting locked out. So just in case, there's an app out there called Phenom. And that's a way to register your events as well. Ideally, it's when it's actually happening. The Phenom thing is a pretty cool idea. If you're watching it right then and there, you go live or you record on this app, and it will record everything, including where exactly you are, like geolocation, what time, what are the variables, all that stuff. It's pretty neat. But anyway, so I logged this in there as well. So that is what happened. So I guess if I took my own poll or I voted in my own poll, which I can't, but if I did, I would have to be in the two times saw UFO category now, which as of right this second is in last place among the four. Never is at 38.5%. One time is at 23%. Three or more times is at 27%. And two times is only 11.5%. So anyways, didn't plan on it, wasn't looking for it. It was just there, and then it just wasn't. Okay, that's the truth. If you're a Christian friend, if you're part of the church that I pastor called End Time Church, this may, I don't know what it does to your brain. Tell me. I know some of you and I talk about this often, but only very few of us talk about it and most of the others kind of like I don't know what to do with that this is crazy or this is all government or whatever how don't be stupid where's your discernment it was a funny one um like I don't know discernment it's a thing um anyways okay so let's get to your comments and see what uh what y'all are saying here Madame Rex with a bird and a UFO. That's exactly what it was. And, you know, funny enough, you know, like I said, I love birds, and it would just be like God drawing my attention with that. Wouldn't he do that? Hey, Jake Mallory on YouTube. What's up, Jake? Who says, you look exactly like my brother-in-law, Gary, out of Houston, Texas. If you had his tattoo, well, I don't have tattoos that I've shown the public, but anyways, that's cool. Everyone's got their doppelganger. In fact, I've never even been to Houston in my life, to be honest with you. Dallas or Tyler, Texas. That's closer to Houston, right? That's as close as I've ever been. Yep. Well, that's cool. And Jake says, I have seen two in my life. There you go. Hey, I guess we're bros on that too. I'll get to your other comments as well. I'm just following Jake's here for a second. He says, the first time I was 15, if I would have had an extension ladder, I could have climbed up onto the top. It was that low. Wow. That's cool. I mean, that's got to be nerve wracking. If you did have a ladder, would you try to or would you run away? I think I would have run away. It was about 175 feet from me and about 25 feet off the ground. That's definitely low and close. Wow. And he says, I watched it for over an hour. That's an extreme amount of time. I mean, for these types of things. I hope you know that. That's tremendous. I don't know if you call it luck or whatever, but man, usually they do not last that long. It was hovering over a small old folks home. Fascinating. Tyler, closer to Dallas. Yeah, it is. And he absolutely would have climbed into it or on it if it would have let me. We diverge in personality, I guess, right there. There is no way I'm getting on that thing. But cool. That's a great experience. Thanks for relating that and sharing and trusting to share it, Jake. Super cool. And Madam Rex says, sounds similar to the ones I saw. Color, shape, daylight. Rapid maneuvering, yeah, except for the, right, that's your experience several years ago in a very, not very near to where this happened, but close enough. Not far at all, really. Maybe, what, an hour, a 90-minute drive away from where yours was. But yeah, color, shape, and daylight, definitely. You had the rapid maneuvering, and you had several of them, right? At the same time, this was not going anywhere. If it did, it moved before I thought. And if it moved after, I didn't see that. It was just hanging there. Which... I guess to my brain, it makes it more credible that I actually did see a UFO because if I'm driving, just speeding along, and you see things flying like birds and planes all the time, and if you saw something moving, like, ah, that's weird. I wonder, you know, did I just see that? Did I get a good enough look? Did I see all the, I'm trying to concentrate. You know, there's no way I, I don't think I'd come on and tell you all this if maybe if it was moving. Yeah, it disappeared rapid. I don't know. Again, you've seen both. If you watch enough videos, even Skinwalker Ranch and stuff like that, sometimes they speed away and sometimes they just freaking disappear. Like, right? Just blink out. Bonservant says, glad you shared this with everyone. I was nervous. Bonservant, to be honest with you. um or unsure I don't I don't I guess I don't I do know why if it's because most of my audience is not accepting or is not feels weird about it or what kind of pastor talks about this stuff or like who would even see that you know you must be possessed or some kind of junk I don't know Anyway, that's why I did it, is because it's time to move on. It's high time. I think I wrote in the description, right? It's high time to get on with this. All of us to open up about this very real situation, because it is. It's real, okay? We're not making it up. It's not crazy people. That kind of stuff, I don't know. What do you do with it? At a certain point, you just have to say it's true. And what are we going to do about that? How we process it? As just humans, as Americans, if you're American like me, if you're a Christian like me, those are all different questions. Anyway, hopefully this encourages someone else who is a believer maybe to say it's okay. and hey actually I got a message from Susanna who I know who's in Ireland and she says pilots over Dublin Dublin of course that's Ireland reported at UAP on May 29th just a couple weeks ago it made the news it was as everyone else describes a flash of light that moves mega fast and disappears You can Google it. I'm going to later. That's really great. Thanks, Susie. So, I mean, I don't think this is going to stop. I don't think this is going to become less common. I think it's going to become more common. And hopefully with both the instant access to information and live streaming and social media that we have, everyone has in their pockets now, that this will be seen more and more and be more comfortable to tell people that you saw it or you had other kind of experience with it. And by the way, I feel fine. That was one of the questions of Mufon when you fill out their... submission is you know do you have any health effects because it has happened um anyway I want to encourage you all to do that again if you're if you're a christian who wants to maybe keep it off the record or right now or you just want to talk to somebody maybe it's too you think it's too um too extreme or whatever or too much info to say publicly you can go to wings of the eagle.com podcast and there's a form at the bottom of that page you can securely fill it out with your name and story email address and I'll get it me alone, right? No one else will see it. If you want to utilize that, please do so. Sorry, now I'm getting back to the comments. Madam Rex, it was a sphere as in more like a basketball rather than a disc. I think so. Yeah, I think so. It looked like they have a more uniform No edges sticking out. It's like a ball. Bond Servant says, we have a lot of military jets here, etc. Yes, she lives in Colorado. So in the area where... I should just shut up. I'm unsure. I saw a UFO, but one morning taking daughter to work, saw a cluster of lights just hovering a distance away and then it disappeared. Based on that, it might well have been, or several of them, right? The lights thing, there's the famous Phoenix lights a few years ago in Arizona, highly documented. Some people say there were a lot of lights. Maybe the impression is that they're all different vehicle you know different objects different spheres different orbs or whatever but some people said they were all just lights of one craft they were like you know maybe they were orbs I don't know uh under as a part of this other craft which is very hard to see like it was black um So I don't know in your case. But there's definitely both. There's examples, plenty of both, of several at once and then or one part of one thing. And yes, just disappearing is a thing. In fact, it's the thing that they do. Yeah. Yeah. And Jake is just giving more details here. Okay, this is good. Hang on. Let me catch up. He said he definitely would have gotten on it if he'd let him. It was a Saturday morning during the summer, like obviously this was. Says I was going hunting and I was walking down some old abandoned train tracks. I saw it. I froze in place. My first instinct was to shoot it. But it spoke to me. Okay. It warned me not to. believe me or not yet I don't I don't disbelieve it because you're not the first one to say things like that you know I actually don't remember what happened after I forgot it for about 16 4 16 years one day it popped into my head I started remembering everything I totally sounds wild but again jake this is a very common situation for whatever reason it was it because of this thing when it if there's communication of some kind maybe you didn't want to be shot maybe uh you know if you shoot that it would have to shoot back and maybe they didn't want to do whatever it was didn't want to do that um that the whole lost time or memory lapsing is totally common This is one of the reasons why I very strongly think we need to get all of the information that we know out into the public. Because people are being hurt, potentially, and their minds are being messed with, their memories. This is not cool. All right? Even if it's just that, forgetting things for 16 years is not okay. If you did that to me, that's not okay. And Jake says, I believe that some are good angels and some are fallen angels. Do you mean what you saw was an angel? Like an actual creature? Remember, God told us some of the angels were cast down onto or into the earth and some into the I think you mean oceans. Not really. Revelation 12, and I teach that verse as a future tense. I'm very convinced that it's a future event, not a past event. Yes, there are fallen angels. In other words, those who disobeyed God. Yes, there was an incident in the book of Genesis, chapter 6, of course, where we get what they are called the sons of God. They are obviously angels. Other creatures that chose to rebel and do their own thing and to not stick with what God told them to do. Jude and Peter back that up. Enoch, if you accept that, backs that up as well. So they definitely came to the earth and did some bad stuff and taught some extreme things. information like information human beings did not have the again this is mostly from enoch but a little bit from genesis um that they gave information that mankind did not possess directly from heaven as it were Right from the angelic world. And anyways, so there's that. So in the future, yes, there will be a war in heaven where, like Revelation 12 tells us, Satan and his angels fight with Michael and his angels, and Satan and his angels are cast to the earth. Now, that has not happened yet. It does not say anything about being cast into the oceans. I would... I mean, unless you're, tell me what you're referring to, but nothing says that specifically. And Jake, if you don't know me or my ministry or my story, I'm kind of obsessed with end times and supernatural Bible verses. Like the scriptures are very, very important to me. Um, bond services, definitely a cluster that what she saw. Okay. In Colorado, definitely a cluster. It's like individual things that are together. Okay. I got you. Not like those huge military jets that look triangular. Well, now, there are some, not a lot, there are some military jets that aren't like the old Blackbird and the Stealth Bomber and a few other, I'm sure they're still classified, but they're not out there in the world, really. They're triangular-shaped, generally, like a boomerang. But I'm talking about with lights on the bottom that are in the shape of a V or a triangle. Those are not ours. I know some people think they are, but the evidence that I've seen does not lead to that conclusion. Bond Servant says, I've been watching some of the Skinwalker vids and trying to wrap my brain around it. You and I talked about the area, right? The actual area of where Utah and Colorado and New Mexico, of course, that whole region is. Arizona, that area that deformed Creighton. Is that how you say it? Creighton or Creighton? It's basically part of the Earth's crust, right? Or the plate that North America sits on and the coastlines are where the other plates kind of meet it. And then there's this in-between area. between the main plate and this coast that's a map or something that you had showed me called the deformed craton. That area is big. I mean, several states are in that zone, including those ones that we're talking about. Colorado, Utah, the Four Corners area, right? New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada. And also going up south and then up the other side into the East Coast, which in that zone on the East Coast is where I live, where I saw this on Saturday, where I saw my original video. One when I was a kid and where our sister, Madam Rex, saw hers several years ago. So it may be a hotter spot than others. I don't know. But there seems to be a lot of action certainly in those places. So there could be a connection. I don't know. Okay, I don't want to miss anyone's contribution, so let's take a look at where we're broadcasting and YouTube and Facebook. Look, okay, I'm on Instagram as well, by the way. It never seems to work out on Instagram. I see some people popping in and out, but if you have a comment... Please go ahead and make it, even if you're on IG or X. We have our own app, by the way, as a church. If you're interested, if you're a Christian and you like this online church live streaming type of fellowshipping, then get the End Time app, endtime.app. We'll put you directly in the app store. I don't see a comment on the app. Okay, cool. Okay. Anyway, guys, that is my story. We'll see where it goes. That could be it for my life. Maybe some of y'all can update it as we go. And please do. If anyone here wants to utilize that contact form, if you're not comfortable saying something in public, go to, again, wingsoftheeagle.com slash podcast. There's a contact form at the bottom there where you can fill it out. You don't have to use it for UFO sightings or whatever, but That's why it was created. So, but you can use it. Okay. And again, we do have a Patreon that we're building out. One of the levels, we're working on a new book. Supporting the ministry just generically because we need funds to do this, to be able to do this full time. That's what God called me to do. So here I am. courses we have courses that span yeah it's a lot of end time related stuff but there's tons and tons of material that you can support us with and get access to all the courses we have fleet to the mountains is the original book that I wrote in 2019 this one right here you can get that fleet of the mountains.com on paperback on hardcover on audiobook on digital pdf download all that stuff. And there's a course attached to it, which you can take in that course bundle as well. Anyway, just telling you all the different ways you can get involved and support us and learn something hopefully. Right. And then the, there's the aviary, which you see at the bottom of your screen. Now that's geared to anyone. It doesn't matter if you're a Christian or not. For five bucks a month, we want to make a private network. It's a private group on Patreon that you have to be a member to see. And there'll be videos there. We have three of them uploaded already, specifically about... the top things that are true about this UFO topic that you may not be aware of. And we're deep diving into whistleblowers and things of that nature that are coming out maybe a little more not as widely known, right? Not on Fox News or CNN or in front of Congress, but on Reddit and stuff like that. So just to talk over all that and is it legit and all the interesting stuff versions of uh and permutations of that topic okay so if you want to get involved in that we'd love to have you doesn't matter what your beliefs are go to patreon.com slash wings of the eagle and join the aviary um I bond servant says she has one last question hang on madam rex's uh cool point stanton friedman never saw ufo If you don't know who Stan Friedman is, he is one of the greatest, most famous UFO researchers ever. He might be the best. He just passed away not too long ago, but those of us in the 80s and 90s who grew up and learned about this stuff probably learned from him. or some at some level from his work and it is excellent it is not kooky stuff it's scientific it's physicist wasn't he anyway he's never saw a ufo but he didn't need to know they exist he didn't need to to know they exist like gravity that's a great point okay even if you've never seen one doesn't mean they're not real um just for whatever reason you haven't had the pleasure But the reason why he would say that, and thank you for pointing that out, madam, is that the amount of legitimate evidence is overwhelming. There's really no doubt. I mean, there's no, the safe bet is to go with that. The risky bet is to say they don't exist. I mean, very risky. I saw it. I mean, like people at a certain point, you're just like, you know, who is it? Oh, Brandon Fugel, the owner of Skinwalker Ranch. People ask him that, are you a believer? He's like, it's got nothing to do with belief. I'm an experiencer. I saw a UFO on the property. And a lot of other witnesses saw it with me. So he is not doubting it in any way. It's not a question of belief. This is not a religious question or something subjective. It's not subjective. It's objective. It's an object. There it is. What are you going to do with that? So like Brandon Fugel said, I'm saying it's not a question of do you believe it. If you are in that place and you think it's some kind of belief situation, it's not. That doesn't mean we know motivations or we know reasons or origins or purpose. We don't know any of that. I really caution against any of us having those opinions right now. You can have theories, hypothesis, ideas, conversations, great. But to say it is this and this is the purpose, we're not there yet. Because there's such an extreme level of what is truly known that is being kept under a lid. So you don't know it. So you don't know what you don't know. right but what you do know you can't keep a lid on is this these things popping up and popping out and regular dudes like us seeing them or more interacting with them or having them communicate with you like um jake right bryce says I've never seen one it is what it is brother uh Yeah, some do and some don't. Last question. Okay, now I'm taking you at your word here, Ponce Irwin. Do you think the second heaven will be opened so more is seen in these times? That's a, okay, that's kind of a nerdy Bible term, okay? I love it. I love it. the audience might not totally know what we mean. Um, short, short version is the, in the Bible there, there's a cosmology of three levels of heaven. When the word is used, um, it's used in the plural Shemaim, Shemaim in Hebrew is plural. Um, Jerusalem itself, the city is plural. And we know that from the New Testament because there is two. There's a heavenly and a Jerusalem and an earthly Jerusalem. So anyway, there's three heavens. There's the heavens, the ones that we can perceive, the ones that we see, the sky, the atmosphere, even oxygen, the breath to breathe in and out. You're looking at The heavens right here. In a way. Okay, the first heaven, you're looking at it. This is it. The air here. But it encompasses all the way up to our atmosphere where the birds fly, where airplanes and silvery metallic objects are flying, including the atmosphere above that, including where space is. where the moon and the heavenly bodies are. Now, some translators or teachers will say that's the second heaven up in space. I don't believe that at all. I think anything that you can see with your human eyeballs regularly, just us interacting and looking up into the sky, seeing the stars and the moon and the sun, that's all the first heaven. When it says second or third, it doesn't denote height or Per se. Not like, oh, if I go a mile high, I'm in the second heaven. And if I go 100 miles high, I'm in the third heaven. Mm-mm. The phrase in Hebrew sometimes is called the highest heaven, but again, there's something more being said there. So anyway, the second heaven is a place where God is called. He's in the third heaven. Paul the Apostle says, I was taken to the third heaven, and I saw God, and I heard all these things that no man can utter. um the language of angels and all that stuff okay so that's third heaven but what's the second one we can't see it but it's not where god is right so you get a little little glimpse of that I believe in daniel chapter 10 um where you have not god and his throne but also not where we can see so If that's the case, I think you can make a case that after what we talked about earlier in Revelation 12, in that battle, that war in heaven it's called, in heaven, that war is over, then you have this condition where The fallen angels and the devil are actually on the earth itself. They're not in that heavenly realm where Michael can fight you and God is, right? That area is swept out. It's swept clean. So there's no, and Joel, the prophet Joel and the book of Acts and other places definitely refer to in these, that's the end times. Okay, that's the end of the story. That's the last three and a half year period now. When Satan and his angels are cast out, we've only got three and a half years till the age is over and Jesus returns, establishes the millennium, right, his kingdom at the end of the world. That's the very end of that process. So at that point, the second heaven is, I don't know if it's saying opened, but it's empty of enemies of things that would restrict prayer. angels being dispatched to help you, for example, for your prayers not being hindered. And there's no fighting among these creatures that are in this second heaven. And that's important to note. The second heaven denotes angelic realms, the fallen angels or principalities. God's angels can be there. That's not a human place. That's why Paul says I'm not even allowed to tell you what was said there. That's not human habitation. You can't get there. So anyway, when you say it's open, the only, again, I think heaven's open like a scroll, like Revelation 6, when the Lord returns, then you see this ripping open that you could say these, it's like a dimensional rift or whatever. The heavens are rolled back like a scroll. But that's when Jesus returns. So my answer is, I don't know of any scripture, unless I'm really having a senior moment over here, I don't know of anything that says before Jesus returns that there is an opening of the second heaven. I don't think there's anything. So if the Bible doesn't say it, I'm not going to believe it, or I'm not going to teach it. Like always, that's my MO, right? So I'm not making the connection, no, between UFO appearances and that realm. I'm not saying I'm opposed to that way of thinking or that it's bad or something or unbiblical. I'm not saying that. But I've not reached the conclusion that they're connected yet. Um, Madam Rex saying different dimensions equals heavens. I don't know about that. Or it's more to it maybe than that, right? It's possible that, I mean, that's a framework or that's a way to understand how you can have other realms with creatures and God, et cetera, around you, but you can't see them. Now that other dimensions, higher dimensions is a way to explain that paradigm. It might be that that's the case. Yeah, yeah, I hear you. That's what I figured. It's just a possibility. And it is a possibility. But even within that, it could be true. But if you're talking about the theoretical physics and higher spatial dimensions and stuff like that, There's more than just one or two. Like there's second and third heaven. Okay, well, we've got one. That means two and three must be in other dimensions. Fine. But theoretically, there's 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 dimensions we're talking about. So, right? Do you know what I mean? Are you following? So, like, even if you could say the second and third heaven are, you know, live in these other, in these highest of dimensions, well, what if there's 14? That means they're in, potentially, for just the sake of argument, they would be in dimension 13 and 14, right? That means you got from, we have three dimensions and the fourth we say is time. So let's say four or five or six or seven or eight or nine or 10. All those are not the second heaven in that theory, okay? It's not the second heaven, but it's not human possibility either, right? as far as we understand. We don't know how to do that. So you see what I mean? So like it could be, that could be the explanation, heavens meaning other higher dimensions, but those higher dimensions could be way, way, way up there, way above where we're thinking. So it's possible that, again, dimension, let's say five through 10 or whatever, are neither heavenly or earth. And maybe those can be manipulated. by people, smart, really, really smart people who have maybe knowledge passed down from supernatural sources, like we talked about earlier, for example, or other creatures, maybe other creatures or forms of life have access to those higher dimensions, but still not the heavenly dimensions, not fallen angel level. or angel level, or God, right? Okay, that's really long. Multiple dimensions wormholes. Yeah, I mean, people say what they want about string theory, but that's a popularized way to put it. Now, that has a specific set of theoretical results and whatever, but the possibility that our universe is made of multiple other dimensions is becoming more and more accepted like is true so you can have many other dimensions that are not that are below the second heaven is my message on that possibly and a quick image of bill and ted traveling through time yeah right in the phone booth yep yep Or through a wormhole, right? I mean, yeah, that's maybe how you would go. But that would be a time-traveling thing. That's how you access the fourth dimension is to pop into different points in space and time. That's maybe how UFOs work. But that doesn't necessarily mean we're talking about angels or second heaven or whatever. Just saying. I mean, I don't know. And definitely be excellent to each other, right? Like when Ezekiel went up in a chariot, where did he go? is it possible that we see the second heaven in that instance when it was opened and there was possibly, yeah, possibly. But again, that's God, you know, getting him direct, right? So he, God has the, the, the wormhole or whatever, the escalator, however you want to look at it, he can go zip all of them, all 10 or 12 or 14 from the top to the bottom, no problem. You can bypass all those other ones, right? So even if you were seeing the second heaven, it doesn't mean there's others that weren't in between Ezekiel and the earth. You know what I mean? I'm just thinking out loud here, just thinking out loud. Right. Dimensions 5 through 10. Narnia, the Teletubbies, Spongebob, Atlantis, Dune, right? All the fantastic stories. What about Middle Earth is in there? It's called Middle Earth. Why not put it in the middle? No, super nerd. Don't you know Tolkien was talking about this Earth only in the past. Okay. Anyway, we're really getting off course there. Okay, that's enough for today, I think, guys. Be excellent to each other, as the wise men say. Please feel free to reach out. Please feel free to share this. We need your support. If you are a Christian, fill out that form if you want to communicate. Or, and I really kind of have been... delaying or not sure how to proceed or whatever, but I'm still very concerned and pretty convinced that if there is, even if it's just going as is here with UFO phenomenon and disclosure and this and that, But what if there is a major event, whether it be government announced or not, or UFO announced, or Russia, or China, or somebody else decides to disclose everything, and there's a crisis out of this, and there would be a major crisis. It would be a crisis of international importance and maybe the most significant event of this century or maybe in the past two millennia. Yeah. that would shake the faith of many believers. And it would put the church leaders, quote unquote, you know, those of us who are responsible for flocks of God's people to need to speak to each other. And so that's why just as a paper thin way of starting that conversation, there's a webpage called UAP council, UAP council.com. You can go there as a Facebook group, page and stuff like that. It's just a way again to connect to, if we want to have conversations, whether it be online or in person or whatever, as the church. Generally, especially leader dominations like that level, but any level. So look into that if you're so led. But anyway, here we go. This is exciting times. We love you. I love you. God loves you even more. Reach out to me on the X platform if you like. Manti4, M-A-N-T-E-I-4. Quick update of the poll. Got a couple more votes since we've been on the air. We've almost got a tie. Not quite. About 37% say never. Still now 30% say three or more times they've seen UFOs. 22% one time, 11% two times. So I'm coming up and bringing up the rear. Me and Jake, bro Jake. With us two times, us two timers. Anyway, friends, love you. See you next time. This is Wings of the Eagle. 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