Unsealed: What if "they" are not aliens or demons? Let's consider the possibility that the UFO/UAP phenomena is real and non-human intelligence is behind it but neither of the popular assumptions are correct?
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Um, what I thought would be interesting is,
um,
something that I've been
mulling around for for
months um in terms of this
uap situation I like to I
like to read a lot on
subjects that I need to
catch up on um and there's
a lot of material out there
in this subject um good
good things there's a lot
of bad stuff too I mean
like worthless unsourced
you know made up things but
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Shalom from Quetta, Pakistan.
Near Afghanistan border.
Wow.
Hello, Laris.
That is quite the hot spot, isn't it?
Those two nations, boy.
Well, thank you for joining.
Praise God.
And that's just an example
of how the power of this medium.
Bond servant totally
recommends Fleet of the Mountains.
Thank you for that.
Anyway,
so what I wanted to talk about today is,
like I was trying to say,
reading a lot on these topics, and books,
obviously, is what I'm talking about,
articles, and then also following...
the thought, you know, the influencers,
the thought leaders,
the folks who are writing
the books or who are going
through things or the
government officials who
are involved in this and or
ex-officials and whatnot.
And so I try to follow along
with what their takes and views are.
And a lot of the quote
unquote UFO community are pagans.
or agnostics, or New Agers,
however you want to call it,
or however they call themselves.
They're not Christians.
And mostly, not everyone.
There definitely are exceptions.
But it seems like if you're
a Bible-believing Christian,
you are just not supposed
to believe in UFOs.
But even if you do think it's real,
you are supposed to say they're demons.
or evil in some way and so
depending on which side of
the fence you're on you're
usually a non-christian ufo
you know enthusiast will
say there's some type of
alien life from another
planet that's just the way
it's almost like a fantasy
it's like they want it to be true
Um, and so much so that there are,
you know, oh yeah,
I know this and I know that.
And they're from this
location and there's this
many species and there's
different species visiting us and they're,
they're trying to save our
planet or they're trying to
stop us from destroying
each other or whatever.
You know, that's kind of how it goes.
A lot of the times, again,
there's exceptions.
Um, but that's kind of that side of it.
And that's why the ridicule is easy.
Even when somebody serious
tries to talk about this, oh, aliens, ha,
ha, ha, ha.
And even the famous smart
people like Neil deGrasse
Tyson or whatever,
they always knock it down by saying, oh,
aliens, laugh, laugh, laugh.
Well, if they were really visiting us,
there'd be a lot more
evidence or something more
concrete and blah, blah.
okay, fine, fair enough.
But I'm in the learning mode here, okay?
And on the other side of it,
as a Christian, as a pastor,
I know people come to me and say, yeah,
I've
I want more to, by the way.
Hey, I've had this experience or whatever.
I saw this thing when I was
in the past or I have
something I can't explain.
And it's just like these
other guys are saying.
It's just like what these
pagans are saying.
So there's something to it.
And so I want us to engage
in a little mental exercise
of thought and
investigation or logic exercise in that.
Let's say the premise is
that the UAP UFO phenomenon,
quote unquote, is real.
Let's say it is real.
In other words,
it's not human beings doing it.
It's not made up.
It's not swamp cast.
It's not smudges on lenses.
It's not balloons.
Not to say everything you
hear claimed is true, but some of it is.
Let's say, just say.
I see T-Rex's comment there.
Focus.
So let's say it's real.
And let's say non-human intelligence,
which is the word of the day,
the acronym of the day in HI.
Let's say that's also true.
It's not secret government projects,
at least not all of it.
It can't be explained away.
It's not prosaic,
prosaic meaning normal
earthly explanations or
human explanations or
modern technology human explanations.
It's something else.
OK, well, let's just say that, OK,
whether you believe it or not,
just say just just say, for instance,
that, yes,
some of these things are real and unknown,
that we're just going to
take it for what it's worth.
The other we don't know what it is.
No one in America, for example, let's say,
knows what they are,
no matter what kind of
clearances you have or what
type of security or whatever else.
They really are not your
stuff and you don't know what they are.
Okay, they're real.
And let's say some other
intelligence is behind it,
whether that means pilots
in craft like we usually
are imagining or hear about
or like a drone operator, right?
Or, you know,
a guy sitting in a building
with like a video game
joystick you know or
controller flying things
around the air of space or
water or over your farm or
your city whatever so
whether their drones are
actually occupied um by
something let's say that's
real and let's let's kill
the assumptions that I just
mentioned let's take the possibility
that it is neither alien or demons.
I want to hear,
if we take those conditions,
if you take those conditions, tell me,
write it right now in the comments,
what it could be.
I've, I kind of have fun,
like figuring it through that, like, okay,
well then how does,
what does that eliminate
from the list basically?
Right.
You make it,
you make a big old list of possibilities.
What do they call that?
There's some kind of name for that.
Matrix probability matrix or something.
um anyway so you just cross
out what's let's say we
know is wrong or take a
supposition again you're
not saying it's a stone
cold fact you say okay
let's say condition a b and
c are are true and if
that's true we can
eliminate these answers uh
and then also we know okay
then they we know it's not
alien then it's if we say
that if it's not alien from
another planet and it's not
demonic and by demonic I
mean the liberal definition
not my strict one which I
always try to be a jerk and
correct people on um
demonic meaning any satanic
you know demonic
principalities any type of evil
You know, evil force, evil,
spiritual being, angel, principality,
demon, whatever.
All that's together.
Okay.
Any of that.
I'm saying it's not any of that.
Let's say it's not any of that.
And it's not aliens from another planet.
What could it be?
And it seems to be technology of some kind,
right?
It's actual physical things.
It seems like.
And there's definitely
claims that if there are
craft or whatever in human possession,
that it definitely, at some level,
is a physical thing.
So it's not a hologram.
It's not something you're tricked by.
It's actual stuff.
But it's not aliens or demons.
What is it?
Liverwurst?
No, that's not it.
Well, first of all, praise God,
Anchor Down finally got my
book last night.
Amazon, Wild Ride with Amazon.
Well, all right.
uh laris says he's serving
the lord in the muslim
community in pakistan iran
afghanistan praise god for
sure that's legit that's a
believer right there that's
what you call them um and
after apologizing for
disrupting me t-rex says
current hot theory is
quote-unquote interdimensional beings uh
several implications there
that's true if that is the
real answer then there are
several implications there
or possibilities right um
tim hey tim hybrid what
does that mean hybrid what
explain yourself
Ah, Tiki, what's up, brother?
What day is today?
Thursday?
I forget.
You coined something for this.
I'm sorry.
I forget.
For Thursdays.
Tiki says,
any sufficiently advanced
technology is
indistinguishable from magic.
The Arthur C. Clarke.
I think that's accurate as
far as who said it.
Maybe it's wrong.
I don't know.
But yeah, that's a yes.
I concur with that.
But what does it mean?
All right, it's not humans, right?
These are the assumptions.
It's real.
It's not humans doing it.
You know, not today's humans.
And it's not aliens and it's not demons.
What do we have left?
Trudy Cross on YouTube.
Hey, Trudy.
I agree.
Lots of evidence of unknown
phenomenon by many credible witnesses.
Number one,
whistleblowers is there from
another realm, not another planet.
Who are you referring to?
When it says number one whistleblower,
are you talking about Grush?
Because I don't think anyone
actually qualifies as a
whistleblower that has come
out yet besides him.
And, I mean, I know Chris Mellon,
I know Lou Elizondo, I know these guys,
but they're not whistleblowers.
They left the government.
Um...
and he didn't really say
what it was he just put
that out as a possible
explanation um there you go
theoretical thursday I like
that I like I'll take that
by the way it is thursday
january 25th 2024. um
here's okay t-rex brings up
one of the possibilities
okay and this is true this
is one of them us from the
future so imagine um when I
that's why I made it a
point to say not humans
from today so one of the
possibilities is as weird
as you might think it is um at some point
in the, let's say the near future to us,
let's say five years from now or whatever,
AI or,
or some technology advances to the
point where we can travel through time.
We can manipulate space time
and we're really not,
maybe we don't go to other
planets or galaxies at all
with that technology.
We just can,
we just go back to our own past.
And, and we don't want to be seen anymore.
Somehow, like that's the mission.
We can't, or for whatever reason,
we just decided to go back
there and maybe we want to
stop some event.
Maybe we want to maybe just
learn more about who knows what.
So that would be one of the possibilities.
Yes.
Human beings, ourselves,
travel through time.
And that's us.
And though, if that's possible...
um now when we say inter hey
trudy says interdimensional
beings yeah so but what
does that mean does that
mean these beings are not
human and they and they um
inhabit um a smaller dimension
You know, like right next to me?
Like they're here right now?
That's what it would mean.
Or are you talking about
like the way they've
traveled would be
interdimensionally to get
from point A to point B?
Like a wormhole.
Right?
That's slightly different.
Anyway, Tiki, behave yourself, brother.
Give me your opinion then.
Don't laugh at stuff.
Tell me what it is.
I don't care if we believe it or not.
I'm just saying, put it out there.
Exercise our brains.
Don't settle on what you think you know.
Say, I have no idea.
And if it is this,
then what could the possibilities be?
He says,
the problem with time travel is
you have to know exactly
where the Earth was at a
given point in past time or
you'll wind up 10 miles
under the crust or
thousands of miles in space.
I guess that's true.
Okay,
but why couldn't we know where the
Earth is at a given time?
I don't know.
Seems like that's not a huge problem.
If you had the technology to do it.
All right, so not aliens or not.
Okay, so here's my general list.
What if it's AI?
Hi, Lucy.
AI can conquer the universe.
Hang on here.
T-Rex,
the only thing about time travel
theory that stops me,
why would a time traveling
craft need to be so aerodynamic?
so capable of traveling
extremely far distances.
Maybe.
Maybe there's a, yeah, I mean,
I don't know.
Maybe there's a reason for it to,
because it's really hot in there.
Or some other, you know,
pressure or temperature or something.
It would necessitate a
design or a metallic,
whatever that stuff is,
material to resist that
pressure or to go through the hole.
I don't know.
I'm just throwing it out there.
Some of them look very
aerodynamic for sure, right?
But some things we're seeing now are not.
So let me hear it.
So what could it be?
What else?
What else?
Not aliens, not demons, and it's not us.
Come on.
Come on, guys.
Let's go.
AI.
Okay.
So let's say at some point, well,
we've got the AI
functioning pretty good now,
and it's probably an
exponential growth thing
like everything else in technology,
right?
And particularly with that...
you're creating an artificial brain,
basically,
and if it starts to understand
and have some type,
you would say consciousness,
just some type of self-awareness, okay?
Just not to be all sci-fi on us here,
but if it becomes aware of
it to start to think versus
just answering questions, then yeah,
it could be its own thing.
And maybe...
Maybe that's what it is.
Maybe it advances its
understanding of the
universe or technology and
somehow builds its own stuff.
And that's what it is.
Um...
So, okay, fine.
I'll bite on my own question.
As far as I could tell,
out of all the universe of possibilities,
and I'm serious, guys.
Think this through,
because we might have to
deal with option C here.
What you would call
proto terrestrials or what
the heck is the term I just
read a book recently called
this what the heck my brain
is gone anyway it would be
not humans but they live
here too they're not from
anywhere else um
I got to find the name of it now.
Somebody help me out.
I know somebody remembers.
Anyways, I'll figure it out.
Yeah,
so basically it's another form of
life and they're not humans particularly.
And they exist somewhere
where we just don't know where they are.
They still exist and they
use this tech that they've
invented at some point for
who knows what.
They would have to live
somewhere where we wouldn't know them.
Or maybe they disguise
themselves to look like us.
Maybe they do look like us.
Very, very similar, perhaps.
Then they would have to live
maybe underground, maybe under the ocean,
maybe on the moon.
Okay.
Not kidding.
Like those are the possibilities.
Okay.
Crypto terrestrials, crypto terrestrials,
crypto terrestrials.
Okay, so not extra, but just older things.
All right.
Could you, as a Christian,
could you harmonize that
with the scriptures?
It'd be tough.
But again, it's like, okay,
Tiki's being a wise butt again.
Okay, but I'm not saying, not Nephilim,
not the giants.
He said they wiped them out in the flood.
What if the flood wasn't worldwide?
And what if we're not
talking about the giants or
we're talking about
something else before Adam?
Perhaps.
Maybe they are an artificial... Yes,
they are here,
but they're an artificial creation.
somebody or something maybe
by demons all right but
it's still not a spiritual
thing it's a physical thing
they're just they just are
what they are just saying
these are possibilities
okay um right so we've got
we've got high technology
like ai basically
building stuff on their own
and flying them around.
A terrestrial race of beings that,
while not quite human,
are not from another planet.
But they use this tech for whatever.
Time-traveling humans, right?
We ourselves, this is just us.
We're coming back to do whatever.
Um, so that would be another possibility.
Um, then it get, get weirder, you know,
from there.
Um,
Again, okay,
if we're saying strictly that
it's not demonic and it's
not spiritual beings and
it's not humans and it's
not aliens or not current humans, to me,
there's one other possibility.
And I'm going to interact
with the folks who are
asking or saying things now.
Okay.
Bondservants, as you pointed out last,
you last pointed out the Ezekiel vehicle,
for example, for Enochian.
In other words, there's, I mean, you know,
yeah,
you can look in the Bible and see
there's some kind of non-usual, unusual,
non-human transportation
system that even God uses.
So it wouldn't be too weird
that these things would
exist and not be human or
demonic or alien.
Also,
if you consider what the sons of God
taught mankind,
maybe we're seeing a resurgence.
I'm inclined to the breach idea.
That's kind of where I was
going with this final...
final that I could see
anyway possibility hang on
let me catch up here Ronald
the Mothman that's an
interesting story if you
don't know what that is
there's a book and a movie
called the Mothman Prophecies it's weird
I could only that's only one
of them though right like
it's not like a race of
things anyways um crypto
thing I was referring to
about the lizard people
that live underground
apparently I mean it might
be something like that I
don't know why it would
have to be a lizard but um
I don't know maybe if it's
just a normal person take a normal
Take a normal human at some point in,
you know, 4,000 years ago or whatever.
The Sinoa flood.
And you were treated to underground or,
you know, undersea somehow.
You figured out how to live
there and avoid the flood.
And if you never came up for sunlight...
Or your diet would totally change,
probably.
What would you look like
after thousands of years?
Even if you're a human being,
you might look really different.
Am I off on that?
Some scientists can correct me.
If you live in a
subterranean world for thousands of years,
just a regular person,
would my
great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren
look any different than me?
I would assume at least your
color would go, right?
You would be very pale, right?
And probably very not okay with cold,
I'm guessing.
Maybe your skin would be
just not very useful.
Maybe you lose all your hair.
I mean, I don't know.
So anyway,
what I was going to suggest as
another possibility is that, again,
just trying to keep it in
the realm of Scripture.
And frankly,
I don't know what other ideas
there could be,
but I want to hear them if you have them.
Not aliens from another planet.
Not demons.
Well, it could be holy angels.
Okay?
I'm trying to eliminate that, too.
Right?
Like good guys, right?
Like good spirits,
ones who haven't rebelled against God.
Maybe that's how they get around.
Um...
That's possible.
So let's say,
based on what a couple people
have mentioned, yes,
we know from the book of
Genesis and Enoch,
if you want to throw that in there.
that there was a time on the
earth where obviously there
was fallen angels came and
made giants Nephilim were
around and they taught
people all kinds of stuff
if we're combining Genesis
and Enoch and there was a
couple hundred of them and
they produced a bunch of
offspring you know physical
things human-like only much
bigger and stronger probably smarter
but anyways so they would
the angels themselves and
then through these giants
or whatever would be
teaching humankind
knowledge that they didn't
have kind of advancing
their technology if you
will their knowledge of
this how to make things how
to fight oars how to make
jewelry all these things
the secrets of the stars
the sun the moon the sky
crops right it sounds kind
of innocuous but take it
another way it could be not
so innocuous um like the
secrets that they would be
told about um from their
you know grandpas who were
you know dads who were actually angels um
So what if, first of all,
we know from the scripture
that it says the Nephilim,
the giants were on earth in
those days and also afterwards.
So there were some kind of
giant Nephilim things there
after the flood.
Anakim, right?
What the Israelites saw when
they tried to get to the promised land,
right?
They saw giants, right?
And, you know,
God is very interested in
not having those around.
And if you believe Enoch, actually,
when those giants were killed,
they could be,
their spirits didn't go to heaven.
They didn't do what the
normal person does.
God wouldn't accept it.
So they became demons.
That's what a demon is.
Anyway,
and they're bound to the earth or
under the earth,
like Sheol or actually wandering,
like Jesus said,
wandering around dry places
seeking to get relief.
So to inhabit a person is
probably their top goal as
a disembodied former thing.
Anyways,
that's one explanation for demons.
But let's say they're all gone now.
Let's say there are no giants left.
But the knowledge that they passed down,
they said they taught
mankind these things.
They actually taught them
things that were like
radical and revolutionary,
like they would never know otherwise.
And then so we have the
flood in Genesis 6 and 7, 8, 9, 10.
And then by Genesis 10,
you have the nations being
separated out because the
Tower of Babel thing happened.
And that was where all the
Noah's descendants got together,
moved to the same location,
basically in Iraq, right?
And said, we're going to build this thing,
this tower to reach up into heaven.
And then we can't be denied.
God says they won't be
denied anything they try.
How is that possible?
To me,
that's saying there's something else
about the tower that was going on.
It wasn't just some normal ziggurat,
a building.
So what?
Why does that give them knowledge?
Why would that not be able
to deny them anything they wanted?
Why couldn't God stop them?
if they did that, if they succeeded.
So what if those, you saw then,
so apparently the Tower of Babel,
what I'm saying is that
even that attempt was possibly,
maybe even probably because
of the fallen angels and
the Nephilim passing this
advanced knowledge
of technology, if you will,
to regular old humans.
And so they passed the
secrets down a couple generations,
and now here they are after
gathering in Babel and
trying to build something
that would accomplish this
great rebellion against God,
maybe to themselves be
worshipped as gods or whatever,
doing whatever they wanted.
Like,
just to be rebels and not serve God
at all,
but to be their own gods and stuff.
That's satanic, obviously.
That's the serpent.
But what if that's the
higher knowledge that got taught to them?
That's how they were building it.
And so apparently God saw
fit to step in because it was dangerous.
It was not going to be cool
if they succeeded.
So he, right, we know what happened.
He confused the languages.
He couldn't speak to each
other and finish the project.
Um,
what if either they or people who came
after them figured it out?
Um,
whatever that goal was and
that machine or that tower or,
or whatever that was going
to be used for somehow they
figured it out or succeeded
or at least succeeded in this high, um,
understanding of the
universe like the how the
world works which is
exactly what enoch was
saying it was teaching them
how the world the universe
operates the laws of this
and that the laws of the
sun the moon the stars and
the and the how to grow
things and how to look a
certain way and how to
fight and make weapons and
make metal make metal
things that was one of um
that was one of the
instructions that was one
of the teachings of the fallen ones
So again, it wouldn't be them.
It wouldn't be a fallen
angel flying around.
It would actually be, in that scenario,
it would be a human
creation based on this
knowledge from the
beginning of the flood era.
And maybe those actual people back then
whenever back in the Tower
of Babel days or soon after
or somewhere around there,
maybe they figured it out
and they left like Enoch did, right?
They just kind of left this world in some,
maybe they built something
like a tower or like a
vehicle or something or a
time traveling
interdimensional portal or whatever.
Maybe they built it.
and maybe a certain amount,
not all humanity, but let's say a couple,
I don't know, dozen, a couple hundred,
a couple thousand, were figured it out,
and they zipped off into
this other realm.
And they figured out how to live there.
And since they could figure
out how to come and go into
this other realm,
that either their descendants today,
let's say,
I'm not saying I know how all
those would work,
but let's say their descendants today,
or maybe it's still them
because maybe you don't,
maybe they figured out how to not age.
Or maybe they've in this
other realm that you don't
age or time is totally different.
So you don't die.
Which would be very,
consistent with dark things, right?
Anyways,
so maybe they figured out how to
not die in there and it's actually them,
the same people, or, you know, maybe one,
their kids or something from Noah's time,
let's say, who are still here now.
And they figured out how to
traverse these places and
they figured out how to do
this interdimensional
travel and they figured out
how to make vehicles to do it.
Maybe they are zipping
around the stars also,
but they really don't maybe
care about that because
this is where it's at.
Maybe they don't have
knowledge about any other
planet or system,
but they got taught about this one.
I don't know.
Obviously, this is speculation.
Obviously.
Yeah, this is...
That's right.
Tiki is quoting what I'm talking about.
The people, they all have one language.
This is only the beginning
of what they will do.
Nothing they will purpose to
do will be impossible for them.
That's a huge statement from God, right?
Agreed?
Like, wow, that's way more than, wow,
they're going to be able to
all communicate at once.
So what?
I don't see the problem with that exactly,
but it says they'll be able
to do stuff that no one, unstoppable,
whatever they purpose to do
will be impossible.
That kind of echoes what Jesus says,
right?
Nothing should be impossible
for him who believes.
So there's some kind of next
level ability or understanding.
We get it through faith.
in the Son of God,
but they're trying to leapfrog, okay,
potentially, hypothetically,
they would be trying to
leapfrog that requirement,
to not believe in the Son of God,
to have no faith, but through knowledge,
Gnosticism, if you would,
through knowledge to gain
access to these secrets,
to do anything I want.
So why can't that, is that possible?
Am I insane?
Um, right.
Isn't it possible that if, if, if there,
if we do believe the
scriptures and there's some,
there was a group of, you know, giant,
maybe intellectual giants
and fallen angels
themselves actually communicating, um,
with humanity.
That's what it says.
Um, before the,
the angels were locked up in, uh,
tartarus or um you know
sheol or uh the abyss what
however um only to be
released you know or judge
at the time of the end um
So before that happened,
they were communicating.
They were rebelling.
They were on the earth when
they shouldn't have been
and talking to people when
they shouldn't have been.
That's leaving their first estate,
like Jude or Peter would say.
And then here's the kicker with this.
If you think this is maybe possible,
check out Jude and 2 Peter
from the point of view of
what we're just saying.
Like, what if there were actually people,
just humans,
but they had this super
arrogant knowledge that
they could do whatever they
wanted and like the stuff
we're seeing today, like UFOs,
like interdimensional travel,
like whatever.
And maybe that's them right now.
kind of crazy,
but maybe that's those
actual same people or their descendants.
Maybe they, you know,
you multiply and have
babies the normal way out
in alternate dimension world.
Um, but it's, it's those people.
What if that's what we're seeing?
And what if that's what we
would be shooting at and recovering and,
and blah, blah, blah.
Anyway, so yeah, read,
if you're a Christian, or if you're not,
read the Bible, okay?
You'll be surprised what happens.
But anyway, yeah,
if you look at Jude and
Peter in that light,
or from that point of view, with, boy,
is this possible?
Like, you have this...
super arrogant ancient
people group that wants to
influence you somehow or
you know come into the
world or maybe mess the
church up or or right mess
god's plan up somehow
because they want to be
worshipped or they want
this or that so it's not
demons in that in that case
it wouldn't be demons
wouldn't be angels wouldn't
be us today and it's not aliens
But we're talking about high
tech and high understanding and, you know,
nothing is impossible for
you where these things,
they're doing impossible things,
but maybe they figured that all out.
And like a separate track of history,
but they're just people.
To me, that's the crazy, intriguing,
you could put it in the Bible stuff.
Anyway,
read Jude and 2 Peter in that light,
and now maybe something
will jump out at you.
Anyway.
Let's see here.
It took 60 years to go from
riding horses to landing on the moon.
Yeah, that's right.
That's the exponentiality of knowledge.
And especially when you get
into using other materials
for technology to assist in your efforts.
Right.
Ronald.
Hey, Ronald,
that so-called knowledge is
embraced by secret societies.
They advertise it.
Right.
The secret knowledge and so forth.
But if that what my scenario is,
is these people are not on
the earth right now.
I mean,
they're not among our society at all.
maybe they're trying to you
know that's what we're
seeing with um secret
societies or or you know
pagan like witchcraft and
um that kind of the secret
knowledge groups you know
the new agers um maybe they
they're either getting
communicated with by these
other people or maybe they
just they're wannabes you
know what I mean like hey
we heard this is true and
I'm gonna try to get it
myself but they never
actually get anywhere
um okay ronald also says the
image of the beast will
want to be worshipped in
the rebuilt temple um that's
I think true.
I mean, you could say that.
We have a rebuilt temple coming.
Yes,
we have the image of the beast somewhere.
It doesn't say that it's in the temple.
It says the abomination that
causes desolation is placed
on the wing of the temple
or the corner or the right.
So maybe...
But I couldn't say yet for sure.
Tubal-Cain.
Tubal-Cain, yeah, okay.
That's one of the Cain's descendants.
Evil beings having babies
with humans and teaching
them makeup skills,
which is one of the things
they got taught, right?
How to beautify your eyelids and whatever.
Sounds weirder than
interdimensional travel,
yet we believe that.
About the makeup skills thing.
I mean, that is what it says.
Um...
Tower of Babel equals wormhole.
I'm thinking it might be.
I mean,
just in an elementary understanding of a,
call it a portal or whatever,
to figure out how to unlock
that capability is
potentially what the tower was.
It seems to be much more serious, for sure,
than a building.
And or a building to do
something because we've got
buildings all over the place.
We've got ziggurats.
We've got pyramids.
God doesn't care about those.
So it's something to do with
that structure or what the
structure would be built
for or to house that it was the problem.
all the knowledge since the
Garden of Eden is bad.
I don't know about that.
All the earth is full with
the knowledge of God.
Maybe the false prophet is
one of those beings just thinking, yeah,
right, okay.
All right, I feel you there.
I feel you.
right because he's
definitely that character
is certainly seems very
different it seems we're
not told a heck of a lot
about him in the scriptures
other than he could do
miracles somehow and we
just assume that like the
devil is possessing him or
something I don't know but
because it doesn't say any of that
So maybe there's some kind of leadership.
And maybe this is what the
unlocking of the pit in Revelation 9,
the fifth trumpet, is about.
Maybe it's like the sixth
trumpet when the Euphrates
is dried up and all of a
sudden there's 200 million horsemen.
It's weird.
I just taught this last
night in my local church.
Every time I read it, it's still...
um weird like it seemed like
there's a part missing or
something like it says
release the four angels
bound in the river
euphrates okay that's easy
enough four angels and then
when that happens all of a
sudden there's 200 million
horsemen how do we go from
four angels to 200 million horsemen
how are they connected like
what how do we get from
there to there they seem
they seem totally
disconnected anyways so
what if we're looking at
that right um as far as
where these whatever these
are come from maybe they're
it just says they have
riders and they're look
like weird horses with
different heads and
breathing fire and having
snakes for tails and
Doesn't seem like anything's
normal about them,
but they just show up and
attack or kill a third of mankind.
Stop itching ears and you'll
be out of here.
Ronald, give me a break, dude.
I'm sorry.
No, get out.
That's not nice.
You're my accusation.
Itching ears.
What?
I'm not telling people what
they want to hear.
I have no idea what they want to hear.
If anything,
they want to hear that it's all demons.
That's the typical Christian
audience wants to hear that.
So if I was itching ears,
I would say it's all demons
and get my views and my
likes and my contributions way up.
But I don't care about that.
So.
False signs and lying
wonders is what we must guard against.
Well, hang on.
Jesus says,
take ye that no man deceives you.
Many will come in my name saying,
I am the Christ, and will deceive many.
The final antichrist, false prophet,
whatever,
comes with false signs and lying wonders.
Okay,
so that's not exactly the same thing.
So don't be a debunker if
these things are not fake.
And they're not lying.
And they're not wonders.
They're just technology.
For example, for instance,
I'm just putting it out there.
Don't assume that they are false or lying.
They're just, they are what they are.
That's, you know,
we cannot slide into arrogance there.
In some past cultures, we see paintings,
drawings,
what looks like aliens and
crafts or different looking things.
Yeah, taller stuff.
Yeah, for sure.
And things flying in the air.
Yes, that's true.
Also,
the Hopi have a tradition of
something like supernatural
invasion or entrance to a dimension.
I mean,
there's definitely native cultures
with cave art and things
depicting this kind of stuff.
It's true.
And some of them talk about
portals and interdimensional traveling.
And this is how things
appear and disappear in the sky.
And obviously,
this is well before modern...
man any technology and they
were describing such things
so yeah I mean that's
evidence that you have to
process um david hey david um
Okay.
Are you a Christian, David?
I'm glad.
I think it's entertaining to you,
but we're really trying to
think through it for real
and participate.
I'm sure the truth is light
years trippier than my reality, whatever.
Well, man, Pink Floyd is not, you know,
don't worry about that.
That's okay.
You can come to Jesus.
He'll teach you more truth
than you can handle.
That's the awesome thing
because he is the truth.
He says, I am the truth.
The truth is a man, a Jewish man,
who died for your sins because you sinned,
he died, and he rose from the dead.
That's reality.
It's kind of like what we're
doing here now.
If you accept that,
you must accept other
things that have to be true
and other things that have to be wrong.
So anyway,
I hope it has been some type of
exercise or catharsis that
was maybe helpful or fun or
lead you into the scriptures,
which would be the best result,
because that's what we're after.
After all,
the family of God to increase the gospel.
to go out and yes,
Christians can talk about
this stuff and not be made
fun of and not be debunking
everything and accepting
that some things are beyond
our understanding right now.
And that's okay.
Um, but then also to use our brains.
Okay.
God gave us brains to figure
things out sometimes and that, yeah,
he did write things for a reason.
And, um, let's seek his, his, uh,
what he wants, um, um,
what he would do with that,
what he wants us to do with it.
And again, you know,
I just wanted to leave you with this.
Oh, okay.
Sorry, Dave.
All right.
You're good.
You're good.
You're good.
We're all, we are all a little,
little off sometimes for sure.
Yeah.
But this stuff is, it's wild.
But I'll leave you with this.
Again, another what if scenario.
No, not ear tickling.
Good.
Well, you do fit in here.
David,
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Okay.
So final thought is it's possible.
It's possible that some of
the things that we are looking
to witness in these days
that are coming uh
including the iranian
invasion of the middle east
including these crazy
things like revelation 9
like I said earlier
including um even how
possibly that the only
place in the middle east
safe in the antichrist will
be this little strip of
land in jordan and saudi arabia
Maybe for all those things
to actually come to fruition,
there needs to be some type
of super advancement or
super advanced technology
that would appear
supernatural in a way or
would allow things that we
can only dream about right
now for good or bad.
Right?
Like the Iranian bear, you know,
the Persians coming out in
the Daniel 8 scenario,
it says they have a weapon
that can't be stopped.
And something's going to
happen where no one's going to,
it says no one can resist them.
Well,
they're not the superpower on the earth.
Like, how is that possible?
To me, it means there's something else.
There's something missing.
There's some other weapon
out there that no one else
has that they're going to have.
That's probably what it means.
As an American,
I thought we had all the good stuff.
All the evil stuff.
All the killing stuff.
Or the Russians.
One of us would probably have everything,
right?
But apparently not.
So maybe that super weapon
or this technology can be
used either for good or evil.
Like every technology.
Like your phone.
Like the internet.
like a gun right like a car
like an airplane you can
use it for good or bad
depends on the driver
depends on the one using it
depends on the purpose
behind it so it's possible
what we're seeing with this
ufo uap thing is not aliens at all um
and that it's really not humans.
But yet it'll be part of
this scenario and not
necessarily to deceive,
but maybe even for God's people to use.
So think about that.
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