What if "they" are not aliens or demons?

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Unsealed: What if "they" are not aliens or demons? Let's consider the possibility that the UFO/UAP phenomena is real and non-human intelligence is behind it but neither of the popular assumptions are correct?

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Um, what I thought would be interesting is,

um,

something that I've been

mulling around for for

months um in terms of this

uap situation I like to I

like to read a lot on

subjects that I need to

catch up on um and there's

a lot of material out there

in this subject um good

good things there's a lot

of bad stuff too I mean

like worthless unsourced

you know made up things but

then there's also some good things um

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Okay.

Shalom from Quetta, Pakistan.

Near Afghanistan border.

Wow.

Hello, Laris.

That is quite the hot spot, isn't it?

Those two nations, boy.

Well, thank you for joining.

Praise God.

And that's just an example

of how the power of this medium.

Bond servant totally

recommends Fleet of the Mountains.

Thank you for that.

Anyway,

so what I wanted to talk about today is,

like I was trying to say,

reading a lot on these topics, and books,

obviously, is what I'm talking about,

articles, and then also following...

the thought, you know, the influencers,

the thought leaders,

the folks who are writing

the books or who are going

through things or the

government officials who

are involved in this and or

ex-officials and whatnot.

And so I try to follow along

with what their takes and views are.

And a lot of the quote

unquote UFO community are pagans.

or agnostics, or New Agers,

however you want to call it,

or however they call themselves.

They're not Christians.

And mostly, not everyone.

There definitely are exceptions.

But it seems like if you're

a Bible-believing Christian,

you are just not supposed

to believe in UFOs.

But even if you do think it's real,

you are supposed to say they're demons.

or evil in some way and so

depending on which side of

the fence you're on you're

usually a non-christian ufo

you know enthusiast will

say there's some type of

alien life from another

planet that's just the way

it's almost like a fantasy

it's like they want it to be true

Um, and so much so that there are,

you know, oh yeah,

I know this and I know that.

And they're from this

location and there's this

many species and there's

different species visiting us and they're,

they're trying to save our

planet or they're trying to

stop us from destroying

each other or whatever.

You know, that's kind of how it goes.

A lot of the times, again,

there's exceptions.

Um, but that's kind of that side of it.

And that's why the ridicule is easy.

Even when somebody serious

tries to talk about this, oh, aliens, ha,

ha, ha, ha.

And even the famous smart

people like Neil deGrasse

Tyson or whatever,

they always knock it down by saying, oh,

aliens, laugh, laugh, laugh.

Well, if they were really visiting us,

there'd be a lot more

evidence or something more

concrete and blah, blah.

okay, fine, fair enough.

But I'm in the learning mode here, okay?

And on the other side of it,

as a Christian, as a pastor,

I know people come to me and say, yeah,

I've

I want more to, by the way.

Hey, I've had this experience or whatever.

I saw this thing when I was

in the past or I have

something I can't explain.

And it's just like these

other guys are saying.

It's just like what these

pagans are saying.

So there's something to it.

And so I want us to engage

in a little mental exercise

of thought and

investigation or logic exercise in that.

Let's say the premise is

that the UAP UFO phenomenon,

quote unquote, is real.

Let's say it is real.

In other words,

it's not human beings doing it.

It's not made up.

It's not swamp cast.

It's not smudges on lenses.

It's not balloons.

Not to say everything you

hear claimed is true, but some of it is.

Let's say, just say.

I see T-Rex's comment there.

Focus.

So let's say it's real.

And let's say non-human intelligence,

which is the word of the day,

the acronym of the day in HI.

Let's say that's also true.

It's not secret government projects,

at least not all of it.

It can't be explained away.

It's not prosaic,

prosaic meaning normal

earthly explanations or

human explanations or

modern technology human explanations.

It's something else.

OK, well, let's just say that, OK,

whether you believe it or not,

just say just just say, for instance,

that, yes,

some of these things are real and unknown,

that we're just going to

take it for what it's worth.

The other we don't know what it is.

No one in America, for example, let's say,

knows what they are,

no matter what kind of

clearances you have or what

type of security or whatever else.

They really are not your

stuff and you don't know what they are.

Okay, they're real.

And let's say some other

intelligence is behind it,

whether that means pilots

in craft like we usually

are imagining or hear about

or like a drone operator, right?

Or, you know,

a guy sitting in a building

with like a video game

joystick you know or

controller flying things

around the air of space or

water or over your farm or

your city whatever so

whether their drones are

actually occupied um by

something let's say that's

real and let's let's kill

the assumptions that I just

mentioned let's take the possibility

that it is neither alien or demons.

I want to hear,

if we take those conditions,

if you take those conditions, tell me,

write it right now in the comments,

what it could be.

I've, I kind of have fun,

like figuring it through that, like, okay,

well then how does,

what does that eliminate

from the list basically?

Right.

You make it,

you make a big old list of possibilities.

What do they call that?

There's some kind of name for that.

Matrix probability matrix or something.

um anyway so you just cross

out what's let's say we

know is wrong or take a

supposition again you're

not saying it's a stone

cold fact you say okay

let's say condition a b and

c are are true and if

that's true we can

eliminate these answers uh

and then also we know okay

then they we know it's not

alien then it's if we say

that if it's not alien from

another planet and it's not

demonic and by demonic I

mean the liberal definition

not my strict one which I

always try to be a jerk and

correct people on um

demonic meaning any satanic

you know demonic

principalities any type of evil

You know, evil force, evil,

spiritual being, angel, principality,

demon, whatever.

All that's together.

Okay.

Any of that.

I'm saying it's not any of that.

Let's say it's not any of that.

And it's not aliens from another planet.

What could it be?

And it seems to be technology of some kind,

right?

It's actual physical things.

It seems like.

And there's definitely

claims that if there are

craft or whatever in human possession,

that it definitely, at some level,

is a physical thing.

So it's not a hologram.

It's not something you're tricked by.

It's actual stuff.

But it's not aliens or demons.

What is it?

Liverwurst?

No, that's not it.

Well, first of all, praise God,

Anchor Down finally got my

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Amazon, Wild Ride with Amazon.

Well, all right.

uh laris says he's serving

the lord in the muslim

community in pakistan iran

afghanistan praise god for

sure that's legit that's a

believer right there that's

what you call them um and

after apologizing for

disrupting me t-rex says

current hot theory is

quote-unquote interdimensional beings uh

several implications there

that's true if that is the

real answer then there are

several implications there

or possibilities right um

tim hey tim hybrid what

does that mean hybrid what

explain yourself

Ah, Tiki, what's up, brother?

What day is today?

Thursday?

I forget.

You coined something for this.

I'm sorry.

I forget.

For Thursdays.

Tiki says,

any sufficiently advanced

technology is

indistinguishable from magic.

The Arthur C. Clarke.

I think that's accurate as

far as who said it.

Maybe it's wrong.

I don't know.

But yeah, that's a yes.

I concur with that.

But what does it mean?

All right, it's not humans, right?

These are the assumptions.

It's real.

It's not humans doing it.

You know, not today's humans.

And it's not aliens and it's not demons.

What do we have left?

Trudy Cross on YouTube.

Hey, Trudy.

I agree.

Lots of evidence of unknown

phenomenon by many credible witnesses.

Number one,

whistleblowers is there from

another realm, not another planet.

Who are you referring to?

When it says number one whistleblower,

are you talking about Grush?

Because I don't think anyone

actually qualifies as a

whistleblower that has come

out yet besides him.

And, I mean, I know Chris Mellon,

I know Lou Elizondo, I know these guys,

but they're not whistleblowers.

They left the government.

Um...

and he didn't really say

what it was he just put

that out as a possible

explanation um there you go

theoretical thursday I like

that I like I'll take that

by the way it is thursday

january 25th 2024. um

here's okay t-rex brings up

one of the possibilities

okay and this is true this

is one of them us from the

future so imagine um when I

that's why I made it a

point to say not humans

from today so one of the

possibilities is as weird

as you might think it is um at some point

in the, let's say the near future to us,

let's say five years from now or whatever,

AI or,

or some technology advances to the

point where we can travel through time.

We can manipulate space time

and we're really not,

maybe we don't go to other

planets or galaxies at all

with that technology.

We just can,

we just go back to our own past.

And, and we don't want to be seen anymore.

Somehow, like that's the mission.

We can't, or for whatever reason,

we just decided to go back

there and maybe we want to

stop some event.

Maybe we want to maybe just

learn more about who knows what.

So that would be one of the possibilities.

Yes.

Human beings, ourselves,

travel through time.

And that's us.

And though, if that's possible...

um now when we say inter hey

trudy says interdimensional

beings yeah so but what

does that mean does that

mean these beings are not

human and they and they um

inhabit um a smaller dimension

You know, like right next to me?

Like they're here right now?

That's what it would mean.

Or are you talking about

like the way they've

traveled would be

interdimensionally to get

from point A to point B?

Like a wormhole.

Right?

That's slightly different.

Anyway, Tiki, behave yourself, brother.

Give me your opinion then.

Don't laugh at stuff.

Tell me what it is.

I don't care if we believe it or not.

I'm just saying, put it out there.

Exercise our brains.

Don't settle on what you think you know.

Say, I have no idea.

And if it is this,

then what could the possibilities be?

He says,

the problem with time travel is

you have to know exactly

where the Earth was at a

given point in past time or

you'll wind up 10 miles

under the crust or

thousands of miles in space.

I guess that's true.

Okay,

but why couldn't we know where the

Earth is at a given time?

I don't know.

Seems like that's not a huge problem.

If you had the technology to do it.

All right, so not aliens or not.

Okay, so here's my general list.

What if it's AI?

Hi, Lucy.

AI can conquer the universe.

Hang on here.

T-Rex,

the only thing about time travel

theory that stops me,

why would a time traveling

craft need to be so aerodynamic?

so capable of traveling

extremely far distances.

Maybe.

Maybe there's a, yeah, I mean,

I don't know.

Maybe there's a reason for it to,

because it's really hot in there.

Or some other, you know,

pressure or temperature or something.

It would necessitate a

design or a metallic,

whatever that stuff is,

material to resist that

pressure or to go through the hole.

I don't know.

I'm just throwing it out there.

Some of them look very

aerodynamic for sure, right?

But some things we're seeing now are not.

So let me hear it.

So what could it be?

What else?

What else?

Not aliens, not demons, and it's not us.

Come on.

Come on, guys.

Let's go.

AI.

Okay.

So let's say at some point, well,

we've got the AI

functioning pretty good now,

and it's probably an

exponential growth thing

like everything else in technology,

right?

And particularly with that...

you're creating an artificial brain,

basically,

and if it starts to understand

and have some type,

you would say consciousness,

just some type of self-awareness, okay?

Just not to be all sci-fi on us here,

but if it becomes aware of

it to start to think versus

just answering questions, then yeah,

it could be its own thing.

And maybe...

Maybe that's what it is.

Maybe it advances its

understanding of the

universe or technology and

somehow builds its own stuff.

And that's what it is.

Um...

So, okay, fine.

I'll bite on my own question.

As far as I could tell,

out of all the universe of possibilities,

and I'm serious, guys.

Think this through,

because we might have to

deal with option C here.

What you would call

proto terrestrials or what

the heck is the term I just

read a book recently called

this what the heck my brain

is gone anyway it would be

not humans but they live

here too they're not from

anywhere else um

I got to find the name of it now.

Somebody help me out.

I know somebody remembers.

Anyways, I'll figure it out.

Yeah,

so basically it's another form of

life and they're not humans particularly.

And they exist somewhere

where we just don't know where they are.

They still exist and they

use this tech that they've

invented at some point for

who knows what.

They would have to live

somewhere where we wouldn't know them.

Or maybe they disguise

themselves to look like us.

Maybe they do look like us.

Very, very similar, perhaps.

Then they would have to live

maybe underground, maybe under the ocean,

maybe on the moon.

Okay.

Not kidding.

Like those are the possibilities.

Okay.

Crypto terrestrials, crypto terrestrials,

crypto terrestrials.

Okay, so not extra, but just older things.

All right.

Could you, as a Christian,

could you harmonize that

with the scriptures?

It'd be tough.

But again, it's like, okay,

Tiki's being a wise butt again.

Okay, but I'm not saying, not Nephilim,

not the giants.

He said they wiped them out in the flood.

What if the flood wasn't worldwide?

And what if we're not

talking about the giants or

we're talking about

something else before Adam?

Perhaps.

Maybe they are an artificial... Yes,

they are here,

but they're an artificial creation.

somebody or something maybe

by demons all right but

it's still not a spiritual

thing it's a physical thing

they're just they just are

what they are just saying

these are possibilities

okay um right so we've got

we've got high technology

like ai basically

building stuff on their own

and flying them around.

A terrestrial race of beings that,

while not quite human,

are not from another planet.

But they use this tech for whatever.

Time-traveling humans, right?

We ourselves, this is just us.

We're coming back to do whatever.

Um, so that would be another possibility.

Um, then it get, get weirder, you know,

from there.

Um,

Again, okay,

if we're saying strictly that

it's not demonic and it's

not spiritual beings and

it's not humans and it's

not aliens or not current humans, to me,

there's one other possibility.

And I'm going to interact

with the folks who are

asking or saying things now.

Okay.

Bondservants, as you pointed out last,

you last pointed out the Ezekiel vehicle,

for example, for Enochian.

In other words, there's, I mean, you know,

yeah,

you can look in the Bible and see

there's some kind of non-usual, unusual,

non-human transportation

system that even God uses.

So it wouldn't be too weird

that these things would

exist and not be human or

demonic or alien.

Also,

if you consider what the sons of God

taught mankind,

maybe we're seeing a resurgence.

I'm inclined to the breach idea.

That's kind of where I was

going with this final...

final that I could see

anyway possibility hang on

let me catch up here Ronald

the Mothman that's an

interesting story if you

don't know what that is

there's a book and a movie

called the Mothman Prophecies it's weird

I could only that's only one

of them though right like

it's not like a race of

things anyways um crypto

thing I was referring to

about the lizard people

that live underground

apparently I mean it might

be something like that I

don't know why it would

have to be a lizard but um

I don't know maybe if it's

just a normal person take a normal

Take a normal human at some point in,

you know, 4,000 years ago or whatever.

The Sinoa flood.

And you were treated to underground or,

you know, undersea somehow.

You figured out how to live

there and avoid the flood.

And if you never came up for sunlight...

Or your diet would totally change,

probably.

What would you look like

after thousands of years?

Even if you're a human being,

you might look really different.

Am I off on that?

Some scientists can correct me.

If you live in a

subterranean world for thousands of years,

just a regular person,

would my

great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren

look any different than me?

I would assume at least your

color would go, right?

You would be very pale, right?

And probably very not okay with cold,

I'm guessing.

Maybe your skin would be

just not very useful.

Maybe you lose all your hair.

I mean, I don't know.

So anyway,

what I was going to suggest as

another possibility is that, again,

just trying to keep it in

the realm of Scripture.

And frankly,

I don't know what other ideas

there could be,

but I want to hear them if you have them.

Not aliens from another planet.

Not demons.

Well, it could be holy angels.

Okay?

I'm trying to eliminate that, too.

Right?

Like good guys, right?

Like good spirits,

ones who haven't rebelled against God.

Maybe that's how they get around.

Um...

That's possible.

So let's say,

based on what a couple people

have mentioned, yes,

we know from the book of

Genesis and Enoch,

if you want to throw that in there.

that there was a time on the

earth where obviously there

was fallen angels came and

made giants Nephilim were

around and they taught

people all kinds of stuff

if we're combining Genesis

and Enoch and there was a

couple hundred of them and

they produced a bunch of

offspring you know physical

things human-like only much

bigger and stronger probably smarter

but anyways so they would

the angels themselves and

then through these giants

or whatever would be

teaching humankind

knowledge that they didn't

have kind of advancing

their technology if you

will their knowledge of

this how to make things how

to fight oars how to make

jewelry all these things

the secrets of the stars

the sun the moon the sky

crops right it sounds kind

of innocuous but take it

another way it could be not

so innocuous um like the

secrets that they would be

told about um from their

you know grandpas who were

you know dads who were actually angels um

So what if, first of all,

we know from the scripture

that it says the Nephilim,

the giants were on earth in

those days and also afterwards.

So there were some kind of

giant Nephilim things there

after the flood.

Anakim, right?

What the Israelites saw when

they tried to get to the promised land,

right?

They saw giants, right?

And, you know,

God is very interested in

not having those around.

And if you believe Enoch, actually,

when those giants were killed,

they could be,

their spirits didn't go to heaven.

They didn't do what the

normal person does.

God wouldn't accept it.

So they became demons.

That's what a demon is.

Anyway,

and they're bound to the earth or

under the earth,

like Sheol or actually wandering,

like Jesus said,

wandering around dry places

seeking to get relief.

So to inhabit a person is

probably their top goal as

a disembodied former thing.

Anyways,

that's one explanation for demons.

But let's say they're all gone now.

Let's say there are no giants left.

But the knowledge that they passed down,

they said they taught

mankind these things.

They actually taught them

things that were like

radical and revolutionary,

like they would never know otherwise.

And then so we have the

flood in Genesis 6 and 7, 8, 9, 10.

And then by Genesis 10,

you have the nations being

separated out because the

Tower of Babel thing happened.

And that was where all the

Noah's descendants got together,

moved to the same location,

basically in Iraq, right?

And said, we're going to build this thing,

this tower to reach up into heaven.

And then we can't be denied.

God says they won't be

denied anything they try.

How is that possible?

To me,

that's saying there's something else

about the tower that was going on.

It wasn't just some normal ziggurat,

a building.

So what?

Why does that give them knowledge?

Why would that not be able

to deny them anything they wanted?

Why couldn't God stop them?

if they did that, if they succeeded.

So what if those, you saw then,

so apparently the Tower of Babel,

what I'm saying is that

even that attempt was possibly,

maybe even probably because

of the fallen angels and

the Nephilim passing this

advanced knowledge

of technology, if you will,

to regular old humans.

And so they passed the

secrets down a couple generations,

and now here they are after

gathering in Babel and

trying to build something

that would accomplish this

great rebellion against God,

maybe to themselves be

worshipped as gods or whatever,

doing whatever they wanted.

Like,

just to be rebels and not serve God

at all,

but to be their own gods and stuff.

That's satanic, obviously.

That's the serpent.

But what if that's the

higher knowledge that got taught to them?

That's how they were building it.

And so apparently God saw

fit to step in because it was dangerous.

It was not going to be cool

if they succeeded.

So he, right, we know what happened.

He confused the languages.

He couldn't speak to each

other and finish the project.

Um,

what if either they or people who came

after them figured it out?

Um,

whatever that goal was and

that machine or that tower or,

or whatever that was going

to be used for somehow they

figured it out or succeeded

or at least succeeded in this high, um,

understanding of the

universe like the how the

world works which is

exactly what enoch was

saying it was teaching them

how the world the universe

operates the laws of this

and that the laws of the

sun the moon the stars and

the and the how to grow

things and how to look a

certain way and how to

fight and make weapons and

make metal make metal

things that was one of um

that was one of the

instructions that was one

of the teachings of the fallen ones

So again, it wouldn't be them.

It wouldn't be a fallen

angel flying around.

It would actually be, in that scenario,

it would be a human

creation based on this

knowledge from the

beginning of the flood era.

And maybe those actual people back then

whenever back in the Tower

of Babel days or soon after

or somewhere around there,

maybe they figured it out

and they left like Enoch did, right?

They just kind of left this world in some,

maybe they built something

like a tower or like a

vehicle or something or a

time traveling

interdimensional portal or whatever.

Maybe they built it.

and maybe a certain amount,

not all humanity, but let's say a couple,

I don't know, dozen, a couple hundred,

a couple thousand, were figured it out,

and they zipped off into

this other realm.

And they figured out how to live there.

And since they could figure

out how to come and go into

this other realm,

that either their descendants today,

let's say,

I'm not saying I know how all

those would work,

but let's say their descendants today,

or maybe it's still them

because maybe you don't,

maybe they figured out how to not age.

Or maybe they've in this

other realm that you don't

age or time is totally different.

So you don't die.

Which would be very,

consistent with dark things, right?

Anyways,

so maybe they figured out how to

not die in there and it's actually them,

the same people, or, you know, maybe one,

their kids or something from Noah's time,

let's say, who are still here now.

And they figured out how to

traverse these places and

they figured out how to do

this interdimensional

travel and they figured out

how to make vehicles to do it.

Maybe they are zipping

around the stars also,

but they really don't maybe

care about that because

this is where it's at.

Maybe they don't have

knowledge about any other

planet or system,

but they got taught about this one.

I don't know.

Obviously, this is speculation.

Obviously.

Yeah, this is...

That's right.

Tiki is quoting what I'm talking about.

The people, they all have one language.

This is only the beginning

of what they will do.

Nothing they will purpose to

do will be impossible for them.

That's a huge statement from God, right?

Agreed?

Like, wow, that's way more than, wow,

they're going to be able to

all communicate at once.

So what?

I don't see the problem with that exactly,

but it says they'll be able

to do stuff that no one, unstoppable,

whatever they purpose to do

will be impossible.

That kind of echoes what Jesus says,

right?

Nothing should be impossible

for him who believes.

So there's some kind of next

level ability or understanding.

We get it through faith.

in the Son of God,

but they're trying to leapfrog, okay,

potentially, hypothetically,

they would be trying to

leapfrog that requirement,

to not believe in the Son of God,

to have no faith, but through knowledge,

Gnosticism, if you would,

through knowledge to gain

access to these secrets,

to do anything I want.

So why can't that, is that possible?

Am I insane?

Um, right.

Isn't it possible that if, if, if there,

if we do believe the

scriptures and there's some,

there was a group of, you know, giant,

maybe intellectual giants

and fallen angels

themselves actually communicating, um,

with humanity.

That's what it says.

Um, before the,

the angels were locked up in, uh,

tartarus or um you know

sheol or uh the abyss what

however um only to be

released you know or judge

at the time of the end um

So before that happened,

they were communicating.

They were rebelling.

They were on the earth when

they shouldn't have been

and talking to people when

they shouldn't have been.

That's leaving their first estate,

like Jude or Peter would say.

And then here's the kicker with this.

If you think this is maybe possible,

check out Jude and 2 Peter

from the point of view of

what we're just saying.

Like, what if there were actually people,

just humans,

but they had this super

arrogant knowledge that

they could do whatever they

wanted and like the stuff

we're seeing today, like UFOs,

like interdimensional travel,

like whatever.

And maybe that's them right now.

kind of crazy,

but maybe that's those

actual same people or their descendants.

Maybe they, you know,

you multiply and have

babies the normal way out

in alternate dimension world.

Um, but it's, it's those people.

What if that's what we're seeing?

And what if that's what we

would be shooting at and recovering and,

and blah, blah, blah.

Anyway, so yeah, read,

if you're a Christian, or if you're not,

read the Bible, okay?

You'll be surprised what happens.

But anyway, yeah,

if you look at Jude and

Peter in that light,

or from that point of view, with, boy,

is this possible?

Like, you have this...

super arrogant ancient

people group that wants to

influence you somehow or

you know come into the

world or maybe mess the

church up or or right mess

god's plan up somehow

because they want to be

worshipped or they want

this or that so it's not

demons in that in that case

it wouldn't be demons

wouldn't be angels wouldn't

be us today and it's not aliens

But we're talking about high

tech and high understanding and, you know,

nothing is impossible for

you where these things,

they're doing impossible things,

but maybe they figured that all out.

And like a separate track of history,

but they're just people.

To me, that's the crazy, intriguing,

you could put it in the Bible stuff.

Anyway,

read Jude and 2 Peter in that light,

and now maybe something

will jump out at you.

Anyway.

Let's see here.

It took 60 years to go from

riding horses to landing on the moon.

Yeah, that's right.

That's the exponentiality of knowledge.

And especially when you get

into using other materials

for technology to assist in your efforts.

Right.

Ronald.

Hey, Ronald,

that so-called knowledge is

embraced by secret societies.

They advertise it.

Right.

The secret knowledge and so forth.

But if that what my scenario is,

is these people are not on

the earth right now.

I mean,

they're not among our society at all.

maybe they're trying to you

know that's what we're

seeing with um secret

societies or or you know

pagan like witchcraft and

um that kind of the secret

knowledge groups you know

the new agers um maybe they

they're either getting

communicated with by these

other people or maybe they

just they're wannabes you

know what I mean like hey

we heard this is true and

I'm gonna try to get it

myself but they never

actually get anywhere

um okay ronald also says the

image of the beast will

want to be worshipped in

the rebuilt temple um that's

I think true.

I mean, you could say that.

We have a rebuilt temple coming.

Yes,

we have the image of the beast somewhere.

It doesn't say that it's in the temple.

It says the abomination that

causes desolation is placed

on the wing of the temple

or the corner or the right.

So maybe...

But I couldn't say yet for sure.

Tubal-Cain.

Tubal-Cain, yeah, okay.

That's one of the Cain's descendants.

Evil beings having babies

with humans and teaching

them makeup skills,

which is one of the things

they got taught, right?

How to beautify your eyelids and whatever.

Sounds weirder than

interdimensional travel,

yet we believe that.

About the makeup skills thing.

I mean, that is what it says.

Um...

Tower of Babel equals wormhole.

I'm thinking it might be.

I mean,

just in an elementary understanding of a,

call it a portal or whatever,

to figure out how to unlock

that capability is

potentially what the tower was.

It seems to be much more serious, for sure,

than a building.

And or a building to do

something because we've got

buildings all over the place.

We've got ziggurats.

We've got pyramids.

God doesn't care about those.

So it's something to do with

that structure or what the

structure would be built

for or to house that it was the problem.

all the knowledge since the

Garden of Eden is bad.

I don't know about that.

All the earth is full with

the knowledge of God.

Maybe the false prophet is

one of those beings just thinking, yeah,

right, okay.

All right, I feel you there.

I feel you.

right because he's

definitely that character

is certainly seems very

different it seems we're

not told a heck of a lot

about him in the scriptures

other than he could do

miracles somehow and we

just assume that like the

devil is possessing him or

something I don't know but

because it doesn't say any of that

So maybe there's some kind of leadership.

And maybe this is what the

unlocking of the pit in Revelation 9,

the fifth trumpet, is about.

Maybe it's like the sixth

trumpet when the Euphrates

is dried up and all of a

sudden there's 200 million horsemen.

It's weird.

I just taught this last

night in my local church.

Every time I read it, it's still...

um weird like it seemed like

there's a part missing or

something like it says

release the four angels

bound in the river

euphrates okay that's easy

enough four angels and then

when that happens all of a

sudden there's 200 million

horsemen how do we go from

four angels to 200 million horsemen

how are they connected like

what how do we get from

there to there they seem

they seem totally

disconnected anyways so

what if we're looking at

that right um as far as

where these whatever these

are come from maybe they're

it just says they have

riders and they're look

like weird horses with

different heads and

breathing fire and having

snakes for tails and

Doesn't seem like anything's

normal about them,

but they just show up and

attack or kill a third of mankind.

Stop itching ears and you'll

be out of here.

Ronald, give me a break, dude.

I'm sorry.

No, get out.

That's not nice.

You're my accusation.

Itching ears.

What?

I'm not telling people what

they want to hear.

I have no idea what they want to hear.

If anything,

they want to hear that it's all demons.

That's the typical Christian

audience wants to hear that.

So if I was itching ears,

I would say it's all demons

and get my views and my

likes and my contributions way up.

But I don't care about that.

So.

False signs and lying

wonders is what we must guard against.

Well, hang on.

Jesus says,

take ye that no man deceives you.

Many will come in my name saying,

I am the Christ, and will deceive many.

The final antichrist, false prophet,

whatever,

comes with false signs and lying wonders.

Okay,

so that's not exactly the same thing.

So don't be a debunker if

these things are not fake.

And they're not lying.

And they're not wonders.

They're just technology.

For example, for instance,

I'm just putting it out there.

Don't assume that they are false or lying.

They're just, they are what they are.

That's, you know,

we cannot slide into arrogance there.

In some past cultures, we see paintings,

drawings,

what looks like aliens and

crafts or different looking things.

Yeah, taller stuff.

Yeah, for sure.

And things flying in the air.

Yes, that's true.

Also,

the Hopi have a tradition of

something like supernatural

invasion or entrance to a dimension.

I mean,

there's definitely native cultures

with cave art and things

depicting this kind of stuff.

It's true.

And some of them talk about

portals and interdimensional traveling.

And this is how things

appear and disappear in the sky.

And obviously,

this is well before modern...

man any technology and they

were describing such things

so yeah I mean that's

evidence that you have to

process um david hey david um

Okay.

Are you a Christian, David?

I'm glad.

I think it's entertaining to you,

but we're really trying to

think through it for real

and participate.

I'm sure the truth is light

years trippier than my reality, whatever.

Well, man, Pink Floyd is not, you know,

don't worry about that.

That's okay.

You can come to Jesus.

He'll teach you more truth

than you can handle.

That's the awesome thing

because he is the truth.

He says, I am the truth.

The truth is a man, a Jewish man,

who died for your sins because you sinned,

he died, and he rose from the dead.

That's reality.

It's kind of like what we're

doing here now.

If you accept that,

you must accept other

things that have to be true

and other things that have to be wrong.

So anyway,

I hope it has been some type of

exercise or catharsis that

was maybe helpful or fun or

lead you into the scriptures,

which would be the best result,

because that's what we're after.

After all,

the family of God to increase the gospel.

to go out and yes,

Christians can talk about

this stuff and not be made

fun of and not be debunking

everything and accepting

that some things are beyond

our understanding right now.

And that's okay.

Um, but then also to use our brains.

Okay.

God gave us brains to figure

things out sometimes and that, yeah,

he did write things for a reason.

And, um, let's seek his, his, uh,

what he wants, um, um,

what he would do with that,

what he wants us to do with it.

And again, you know,

I just wanted to leave you with this.

Oh, okay.

Sorry, Dave.

All right.

You're good.

You're good.

You're good.

We're all, we are all a little,

little off sometimes for sure.

Yeah.

But this stuff is, it's wild.

But I'll leave you with this.

Again, another what if scenario.

No, not ear tickling.

Good.

Well, you do fit in here.

David,

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Okay.

So final thought is it's possible.

It's possible that some of

the things that we are looking

to witness in these days

that are coming uh

including the iranian

invasion of the middle east

including these crazy

things like revelation 9

like I said earlier

including um even how

possibly that the only

place in the middle east

safe in the antichrist will

be this little strip of

land in jordan and saudi arabia

Maybe for all those things

to actually come to fruition,

there needs to be some type

of super advancement or

super advanced technology

that would appear

supernatural in a way or

would allow things that we

can only dream about right

now for good or bad.

Right?

Like the Iranian bear, you know,

the Persians coming out in

the Daniel 8 scenario,

it says they have a weapon

that can't be stopped.

And something's going to

happen where no one's going to,

it says no one can resist them.

Well,

they're not the superpower on the earth.

Like, how is that possible?

To me, it means there's something else.

There's something missing.

There's some other weapon

out there that no one else

has that they're going to have.

That's probably what it means.

As an American,

I thought we had all the good stuff.

All the evil stuff.

All the killing stuff.

Or the Russians.

One of us would probably have everything,

right?

But apparently not.

So maybe that super weapon

or this technology can be

used either for good or evil.

Like every technology.

Like your phone.

Like the internet.

like a gun right like a car

like an airplane you can

use it for good or bad

depends on the driver

depends on the one using it

depends on the purpose

behind it so it's possible

what we're seeing with this

ufo uap thing is not aliens at all um

and that it's really not humans.

But yet it'll be part of

this scenario and not

necessarily to deceive,

but maybe even for God's people to use.

So think about that.

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But today I'm going to talk about something that's, I don't know, some people find it fascinating, like me, others maybe think it's too technical or nerdy, but it's really, really...

critical to understand what skiffs and saps are um saps especially we talked about this one other time and i was trying to get before we went on the air which i wasn't able to um by the way we are on audio as well on every podcasting platform imaginable

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Maybe.

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So with that said, not many Christians are in this space.

And first, I just want to make it a safe place, a safe space for any believers, fellow believers who are interested in, maybe you've had experience with, maybe you're in the government.

Maybe you know what a SAP is right now.

You know what a SCIF is.

Maybe you've been in one.

Ha!

Okay.

All right, Tiki.

Tiki the Wordsmith is back with Transorbital Thursday.

Okay, I'll take it.

That's good.

Transorbital.

Anyway, so, yeah, maybe you're in there.

Maybe you're part of this discussion.

And I get it.

People have different opinions.

I know Tiki has opinions on this stuff, for sure.

But I feel like from July, even through now, it hasn't changed a bit, which is we need as a church, as the witnesses of Jesus...

to be very serious about this topic because we're promised that everything about the world will be shaken before the return of Jesus.

Everything that includes our understanding of reality.

Now we're told some very specific things in scriptures and not every single detail of what to expect, but some of it is earth shaking stuff and paradigm shifting stuff and seeing miracles in front of your face and seeing something about something falling from the sky, like figs or stars falling and the antichrist and him actually casting down things from heaven.

So like crazy stuff.

And it would behoove us to, at this point, just take the evidence for what it is and not be, I hate to say agnostic, but to not know exactly what's going on because nobody knows exactly what's going on as far as I could tell.

That there is a real thing happening, call it what you will.

But so let's get into it.

So the government itself, the government, the American government, the United States has taken this very seriously, even though they lie and say they don't.

We know that.

It's out there for decades.

It's been the same old story that there's nothing to see here, but yet we're going to keep spending millions and millions of dollars on it and maybe billions of dollars on it.

Okay, so what is a skiff and a sap, and why do they matter?

A skiff is a... Hang on.

My notes.

Which I didn't put in the notes.

It's secure.

Hey, God.

Wait, wait.

I want to get this.

What the heck?

I got to make better notes.

A sensitive compartmented...

Information Facility Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility SCIF SCIF It is an area, room, group of rooms, buildings, or installations certified and accredited as meeting Director of National Intelligence Security Standards.

In other words, it's usually just a room, a place where it's deemed secure by the security apparatus of the United States government to the point where nothing that is spoken in there can ever get out.

Not allowed cell phones.

You can't take notes.

Can't take anything into it or out of it except your body.

And of course, you're not allowed to say what you heard when you go into them.

or what you saw when you were in it.

That's a skiff.

Okay.

And so that has been a point of contentions with this issue that now it's coming to light that we first really saw in July, but it's building since 2017.

about getting in these skiffs to find out the real deal stuff.

The elected, you know, the representatives and senators and things are constantly asking for meetings in skiffs but are constantly denied.

However, we did get one here last week.

I guess we'll go to the SAP here in a second.

So what happened last week?

One of the committees, the one who you saw

in July, bring Mr. Grush, Mr. Fravor, and Mr. Graves in front of and to tell what they know, what happened to them, and in Grush's case, what he was stymied and stopped from doing and made him become a whistleblower.

That committee pushed and pushed and finally got a SCIF meeting with the IGIC

The inspector general of the intelligence community.

This is one of the higher ups who is supposed to be an independent investigator that's appointed by the president.

And he's supposed to be able to investigate any part of the government that he's responsible for looking into.

If people are saying something illegal is happening, he's the one who determines that he or she.

So that's, that's that guy.

They taught Monheim is his name.

they went to a skiff and many everyone was invited apparently on that committee and apparently any senator that wanted to join yada yada i thought i saw there were 16 or 18 attendees um with the inspector general and um they came out and afterward it was last friday

And many of them were very sober when they came out and not in an alleviated, relieved way, but in like, well, boy, this is going to, we got to do more.

This is not going to end anytime soon because they were confirmed.

Many things that they were hearing from David Grush, for example, were confirmed.

And what also was confirmed was this ecosystem of secrecy

And deception that is built into our government apparatus, especially in the Defense Department and the what they call the intelligence community.

So I know many of us want to smash them together, but they're different.

The CIA is not part of the military.

It's its own thing.

that has no oversight except for one cabinet level person.

It's kind of ridiculous.

Anyways, there's that.

And then there's the Pentagon, which is the military side.

That's the department of defense.

Okay.

Anyways.

So they are different, but there is, there's regardless of which one you're talking about, there is a, a culture, a ecosystem, an entire ecosystem built up over decades of,

many decades, maybe 100 years of secrecy and deception.

That's

that's what intelligence, those are spies.

Okay.

Right.

Intelligence people.

I mean, they lie for a living.

Um, when, uh, when the department of defense working on secret programs, they don't want anyone else to know about not only other countries, but your own country, if you want to keep it secret, there's ways to do that.

And so hence what we call a SAP is born.

And so if you didn't see the, um, podcast, we did explaining the SAPs back in September, um,

I'm going to, I'll share it just because it's represented very well in this picture.

Sorry, audio people.

And there we are.

if you can tell that that's just a big, like a, like an org chart, it's a, it's a hierarchy of what you would call a SAP, a special access program, SAP special access program.

In other words, you have to have special access to be a part of this program.

And, um, these programs are just trying to make it a good size for y'all to, to see, um,

have different compartments in them.

Like you just heard, a SCIF is compartmentalized.

Compartmented means there's different... A compartment, a container, a silo, call it what you will, under this program has different compartments.

And any person working in compartment A...

has no communication or information necessarily about compartment B. Let's say there's four compartments under this program.

They're each separate and they all work together in their compartment, but they don't talk to the other compartments.

And likely none of them knows the full program.

Only the director or whoever is in charge of that special access program, whoever has that access to know, has the access of the whole story.

So you have a in this example here, you see the umbrella, which is the SAP.

That's the SAP.

The program itself contains all these containers or compartments under the compartment.

You have sub compartments under the sub compartments.

You have projects and contractors and who carries it out.

Sometimes it's the military itself or the CIA.

Sometimes it's not.

Sometimes they can't.

Any one of these compartments could be the work in it, the project itself.

can be contracted out all right uh to to who to private companies to let's say aerospace companies um and again just to well then who has over who who does know well the person who has this special access program has to be given permission by

Hire up people by the Secretary of Defense and the Congress is what it's supposed to be.

But then somewhere along the way, there were special types.

We're not going to go into this today.

There are special types of special access programs that are even more and more and more secretive to the point of being bigoted.

That means you can exclude whoever you want to not know.

basically what we call a black program, but even more secret than that because it's hidden from the Congress and the committee that's supposed to have oversight over your Department of the Military or the CIA or whatever it is who's supposed to have access to your special access program to look into it and say, hey, what are you doing with this money?

We gave you a million dollars last year.

Where'd it go?

I want an update.

That doesn't happen either when you have these super, super duper mega special special access programs that only the gang of eight is supposed to be over.

The gang of eight are four specific offices and extras from the both parties in the Congress, Senate and the House, eight individual people.

And possibly they are the only eight people outside of the program itself who knows what it is.

Not even the president of the United States would be told.

That sounds illegal, especially since the Department of Defense and the CIA fall under the executive branch.

anyways point is it's done i mean it's it happens um and the gang of eight is supposed to know everything that's the theory is that the way it actually is no no we know this is not the case for example because if you remember a senator named harry reed he's not he just passed away recently uh

Two years ago now?

I don't know.

Whatever.

But he was part of the gang of eight.

He was one of these eight.

And there were things happening that he did not.

He was not told about.

And he found out about it.

That's where a lot of this stuff has come from.

The accountability wasn't there and the law was not being followed.

So they started pulling threads.

Right.

And anyway, that's how we got to this to this point.

That's what a sap is.

That's what a skiff is.

If you need me to redefine it for you, I'd be happy to do it.

But that's what it means.

And it all all they do, all they are doing is creating.

A secrecy and deception.

I mean, that's just a fact.

It's not a judgment.

It's that's what they're there for.

That's why they're there.

They don't want you to know.

There are things they're working on that they don't want out.

So they build this ecosystem.

And when I say deception, that's when you get to one of these higher level SAPs, these programs that it says they're dark, you're not allowed to admit they exist.

That's literally in there.

You cannot admit you work on this.

Even if someone comes to your face, hand on the Bible, and says, do you have knowledge of this program?

You must say no.

That's called deception.

That's called lying.

That's called illegal.

But there it is.

And if you ever do say something to expose the fact that you are working on this particular program, again, since they're dark and secret, we can't be positive all the things that happen to people, but we know people have been hurt and killed because they sign papers, basically, that say this is treason if you tell.

And we know what happens to traitors.

Secrets, kangaroo court or whatever, military tribunal, five minutes long, you're guilty, you're executed.

That's treason to a military person, to a Pentagon person, to a CIA person.

So that's part of these saps.

That's the reason why you can't say, oh, well, why don't we know these things?

They would just say, it would just leak out.

They literally cannot say anything.

They agreed to never, ever, ever say.

So the only way, basically, these things are going to come out unless there are drastic structural changes, and there might be, slowly but surely, but perhaps.

But as it is, you're going to need whistleblowers.

You're going to need people to say, yeah, I signed this agreement, but I'm going to say it anyways.

They're going to have to put their family, their career, their life potentially at risk to expose it.

That's where we're at.

And that's what Grush did.

Okay, so what else happens as we talked last?

So we had the Congress and the SCIF and they all came out.

By the way, I encourage you to look at, there's videos about like a compilation of all the representatives that came out and gave a statement after that SCIF meeting.

Very interesting stuff.

Very interesting.

Okay.

Ogles from Tennessee.

Obviously, Burchett is always good for

cutting to the to the heart of the matter um ogles though very interesting comments uh luna very interesting comments burleson um anyways go go check those out and like luna for example was saying how basically she's when they were saying aliens and this and that she's like dial back on that and think of there's a reason why grush said interdimensional

for example, in his testimony, which he was kind of just hypothesizing like this is one of the possibilities because we don't know where this intelligence is or where they come from necessarily.

So that's one of the possibilities.

So it's very interesting that that's what we're talking about at this point from this after this Skiff meeting.

Okay.

And I'm sure there's more to come on that.

And if you get Congress people and senators who are ticked off and think they're being lied to and don't have the authority that they should have, you're done ticked them off.

Then we're going to see what happens.

Okay.

What else happened?

We have a...

A couple of new videos and photos of what we call the Jellyfish UAP.

It's just some of the weirdest stuff I ever saw.

And again, just go to YouTube and type in Jellyfish UAP.

it was revealed as part of this um ufo revolution um three-part documentary thing on 2b or whatever last week but if you see it just go look at it it's bizarre and like off-putting it doesn't look like a

typical vehicle that you would imagine going, you know, taking someone somewhere, uh, or designed for flight, but there it is.

Um, go take a look at it.

And the, one of the key points about that is if, if you're on the side of heavy skepticism, is that all of this, why is this coming out now?

And people are feeding, you know, videos and they're number one,

leaks, like we saw with Snowden, and like we see with the IHOPKC scandal or other church scandals, you name it, if there's an organization of any size that has a sin or an illegality to cover up, they will cover it up.

And the only way to make them come clean and expose them sometimes is to leak information.

The

To leak it, to go against what you agreed to, like in an NDA, a non-disclosure agreement you sign with a church or organization or government, you have to break it.

Or you have to sneak it out the back door to make sure some journalist gets it and you know that journalist is going to publish it.

That's how the Nixon story broke with Watergate and all that stuff, right?

That's how we found out things about JFK that we're not supposed to learn.

I mean, you name it.

When people don't want to be honest, you have to leak it.

So anyway, that's what these videos are.

And anyway, he's the Jeremy Corbell, the guy who was leaked to has had it for over three years.

So it's not as if you can say, oh, this is all orchestrated.

Of course this comes out now.

It's all a whatever.

He's had it for a long time.

For what?

To vet it?

To make sure it's legit?

I don't know.

But the assertion that he's just some useful idiot, I don't think holds any water at all.

Because this leaking is how we're getting any admission at all.

Up until 2017, UFOs were fake.

There was no such thing.

It's not a threat.

Don't worry about it.

There's no way to ascertain anything.

Who knows what these really are?

Whatever.

Next question.

All of a sudden, the New York Times publishes videos by Mr. Korbel, I believe.

And they're out there and they're, oh, yeah, this is from military craft.

We recorded it ourselves.

This is not somebody with a phone in the yard.

This is actual million-dollar stuff, FLIR systems and infrareds and radar and so many instances, not one or two.

But here are three legit videos from the military.

At first, they're like, oh, what's this?

Is this legit?

Eventually, the Pentagon came out and says, actually, it is real.

And they are unidentified.

They're anomalous.

When you say UAP and if the government designates it a UAP, I mean, they are admitting that they don't know what it is.

Not only is it unidentified, they don't know whose it is.

They don't know what it is.

They changed the term from aerial to anomalous because it behaves in ways that we don't understand.

That's why it's an anomaly.

It's not prosaic.

It's not something you can explain because we know how it works.

We don't know how it works.

And P, phenomenon.

Phenomenon.

That's not an object.

That's UFO's object.

This is a phenomenon.

It's something that's even bigger than pieces of metal or whatever, you know, flying around in the air.

it's a whole um container of weird stuff it's called it's a phenomenon it appears it disappears it goes fast it goes slow it goes into our nuclear weapon sites it floats around inside the water it goes into space it hangs out in the sky there are things that we've gotten from it maybe

We have biologics.

In other words, some type of life forms, pilots, if you will, operators.

Are they just drones?

Are they cars?

Are they trans-dimensional vehicles, basically, to move from between these dimensions that we can't see into ours and out again?

Wormholes.

I mean, that's why it's called phenomenon.

So, yeah, if the actual Pentagon or the actual intelligence community I see, you know, the CIA basically, deems these things UAPs, then you can say, yep, that's real because they're the ones who are supposed to know and they don't.

And if it was a black project, if it was something they couldn't comment on or couldn't admit, they wouldn't tell you one way or the other.

Right.

They were just like, no comment.

Anyways, I think that's pretty much what I wanted to give you an update on.

Oh, one more thing.

And then I'll get to any questions that are popping up here, and I do see a couple.

A lot of folks want to poo-poo.

Maybe if you're one of them, I don't know.

If you just don't like or trust this ecosystem that's out there pushing these...

Getting these videos out and whatever.

That's fine.

You don't trust Corbell.

I don't particularly care for Lou Elizondo.

I don't believe what's his face is reliable.

What the heck?

Who's the OG guy?

The guy who said he worked at Area 51.

Somebody hit me with that.

Anyways, Lazar.

I don't particularly believe him.

But that's not the point.

You don't have to believe any particular person to know that it's true.

You can take testimony and say, yeah, that guy's unreliable or the red flag's going up for that guy.

That's fine.

But if it's the same story coming from people who have no attachment to the guy you don't trust or have come from a completely different place...

like the military itself, like you're actually flying jets around and seeing this.

Don't believe David Grush if you don't want, if you don't believe him, him being in the government was valid or maybe he's, he's a crazy person.

And even though he's getting things approved by the DOD to say, even though that's all true, it must be false somehow.

Fine.

Don't worry about Grush.

Listen to Fravor and Graves.

Go listen to Fravor and Graves in, at least in that original testimony in July.

Graves, Ryan Graves is, this guy, both of them, both these pilots are the most unimpeachable.

You cannot assign any motive to them.

Their careers are sparkling.

No one's ever accused them of lying about anything.

They're not grifting anybody.

Just believe them and then process that.

And Fravor really doesn't, you know, he's not really putting himself out there.

I guess he's just more of a private person.

But Graves has really taken it out.

He's got a podcast now.

He does interviews all the time.

He's got a nonprofit because he's just really concerned about people like him who are pilots, both the military and civilian, you know, flying your aircraft.

yourself around in the 747 going to from, you know, New York to L.A.

or whatever.

And they're seeing these things all the time.

And they can't report it.

So there is actually a bill now in Congress that's working its way through that.

He helped to write basically to sponsor, you know, to be in the ear of these folks.

This is what we need.

We need a reporting mechanism to be taken seriously because it's real.

And so anyway, believe Graves and Fravor.

That's my advice.

Because something is going on.

Whether we want to accept it or not, it is.

And it's not prosaic.

That's the conclusion.

All of fair-minded pastor here.

Okay, let's get to your questions and comments, etc.,

sorry Tiki says remember the government thanks to billions if not trillions of dollars are capable of all kinds of signs and lying wonders in the sky now wait a minute that's an assumption

The dollars have been there, but for what?

I don't know that they could make any type of signs or lying wonders in the sky.

What evidence is there of that?

Just being honest, like, okay, that's a fine opinion, but where do you get that conclusion from?

Just because you throw a lot of money at stuff doesn't mean it works.

That's the whole big story about this, if you believe, folks, is that, yeah, we actually have technology that we didn't make and no government made, but we're trying to reverse engineer it.

But it's been unsuccessful.

That's the story.

If there has been any success, it's been very minor and progress has been very slow.

I mean, I'm awful.

I'm a patriot.

Okay.

I love America.

I think tech is awesome.

I think our military, I wanted to be a fighter pilot since I was a kid.

I love this stuff.

And we've made some pretty great airplanes.

Right?

Yeah, even in the black saps of the Blackbird or the SR-71 or the Flying Wing and all this stuff.

And there's other things that they're making that is even more advanced.

Okay, but not 10,000 generations forward advanced.

Not anti-gravity advanced.

Not going from 10,000 miles an hour to zero in one second.

Being able to go into space and into the ocean...

without encountering resistance, like, no.

It's just there's no evidence that we have that at all because we don't understand how it would work.

Anyway.

Got to hear this, Marion says.

Well, I hope you understood it.

And if not, you can rewind and hopefully that works.

T-Rex says, speaking Grush terms, interdimensional and non-human biologics.

Yes, that's the very specifically chosen words that he used in his public testimony.

He won't say aliens because he's not sure.

From what he knows and what he's been told and what he's

who knows what he's actually seen.

Apparently we're going to get an op-ed here in a couple of weeks, um, about everything that he apparently knows or excuse me, his witness firsthand.

Um, but even as a whistleblower, if he has complaints before the inspector general, which he does two different inspector generals, um, he has in his mind, he has to still play ball to, to an extent, um,

And in order to have these clearances and ability to be a whistleblower, you got to respect the process, so to speak, and get everything approved before you say it.

But yeah, those terms when he said he doesn't say aliens, he doesn't know where they would be from.

He just knows they're not human from what he knows.

And that's enough to make you say, well, okay, now we're narrowing down the possibilities.

Either they are really from another galaxy or planet like Hollywood would tell us, or they've been right here on Earth all along and are just now being revealed for their own reasons, seems like.

Or there's multiple intelligences at work.

Maybe these non-human things, even though he calls them biologics, maybe they're actually just creations of human beings.

But who says those human beings are from today?

Right?

This is what an honest person would... This is how we think through these things, honestly, without...

think we know what we're talking about.

We got to consider the possibilities.

If the smart people with all the money, sorry, air quotes for the audio listeners, the smart people with all the money and all the projects and all the stuff, if they don't know what's going on and that's the consistent message, they don't know either.

And that, to an American, to you non-Americans in the audience, you have to understand the pathology of an American.

We must, we have put our faith, and it's to our, it's a sin, okay?

We are wrong to do this, but we do.

We put our faith that our government or our military knows everything.

We have, for whatever reason, we've come to that conclusion, there is literally nothing in the world that exists that they don't understand or they can't do if they want.

That's pride.

That's called pride.

And it's also prideful to believe such a thing about a government or a military.

To just take it right out of the human element and say, they really don't know everything.

Even things they encounter and work on or see in front of their face.

They don't have to understand it.

I don't care how in the know you are, what sap you have access to, or how intelligent you are, or what a genius you are at this or that.

Oppenheimer's, what, he could understand this if he saw it?

Maybe he did see it.

There's actually evidence that he did, that he was read into some of this at least.

Because, yeah, it's older than the 80s, the 70s, the 60s.

It's the atomic age.

It's before that.

It's World War II era.

It's before that.

There are things that apparently we possess before World War II.

So...

We don't know everything.

No matter how much we want, that is very comfortable at night.

When you go to sleep, you're saying, well, I know our military can do anything it wants or our government just knows what it needs to know and they'll just keep me in the dark and that's cool.

But they don't know either.

Tenor has a gif of the jellyfish now.

Okay.

Jellyfish UAP looks like a hot mess.

It does.

I don't know what

Right.

If you go look at it, if you guys haven't seen it yet, please go find this video.

And it's like it's not a random assortment of pieces stuck together.

They're all, it looks like it's made that way.

And it's not different pieces like a balloon.

It's

It's an object.

It's solid.

It's something.

And it looks like the only thing I could – it's called a jellyfish because it's kind of like that with the – it looks like tentacles hanging.

You remember Independence Day, the movie?

And the aliens in that were – I'm not saying this is – I'm just saying it reminded me of when they got out of their ship and they had their suits on.

Right.

They were actually real little inside, but they had these big, mean looking, scary suits on the outside.

And they had these tentacles that would hang on the bottom.

And I'm just picturing like like Will Smith, like dragging it across the desert.

That's it doesn't look exactly like that, but that's kind of what I thought.

I'm like, wow, what in the world?

Anyways, yeah, go check it out.

Um.

Many things, uh, Mary non says many things like this are just distractions, but I've seen many bizarre things that are real.

So I just don't know.

Yeah.

A lot of people have, and that's, that's what I'm trying to say.

You can't, you know, we as Christians have got to take other people's testimony seriously.

Even if we don't like them, even if we don't want to believe it, even if it clashes with our worldview of the Bible or forget the Bible, we just have views and we don't like that.

Right.

Right.

Remember, it hasn't been that long.

It's only been a few hundred years ago.

We're well into the church age, okay?

And the church was much more influential and powerful in nations, especially in Europe at that time.

But it wasn't that long ago that if you were a Christian, you believed the earth was flat.

And you thought the Bible told you it was flat.

And anyone who said otherwise was a crazy deceiver.

Take he that no man deceive you.

Those round earthers, they're from the devil.

Right?

Well, of course, it's funny now, but put yourself in their shoes.

Put yourself in the year 1500 or whatever.

Galileo era, right?

Just imagine yourself then in the prevailing opinion of 90, the vast majority of Christians and all your leaders in church told you the earth was flat.

And think of the accusations that would fly against anyone who would say that it was round, and especially, my gosh, Christians who agreed that it was round.

Oh, Tiki, I love you, brother, but I'm not going to engage with you anymore about this because you have a real sense of you know everything.

I'm sorry, but that's not helpful because you don't.

And I don't.

And the government don't.

Okay, if I'm being arrogant about saying people don't know, I guess that's true.

Don't be a debunker.

Apparently you're not taking that advice from your old pastor here.

But yes, as a pastor, I'm telling you, all of you who are listening, every single one, do not be a debunker.

Do not be a believer.

But be willing to say, you know what, God, shake up my world.

The gospel is still the most important thing

Don't get distracted from that.

Don't get distracted from the centrality of Israel in the world.

There's no doubt that that's true.

And you can get distracted from that.

No doubt about it.

We can't be.

But we also can't take possibilities of these types of things that God has about ready to unleash upon us like the round earth, but even more so

That if we're not in the mindset of actually learning and keeping our witness clean, that yes, Christians have encountered these things too.

That yes, believers are in the government right now.

And their discernment is great.

And they're serious people.

And not everything is a conspiracy.

Things are happening that they don't get where they should, but they don't.

So that means the Lord is in it.

It doesn't mean he's directly responsible for these things, but it does mean that he's involved.

He's going to shake our perception of our universe and our world of what's true and real.

Because it's not only the devil that gets signs and wonders.

It's not only satanic stuff that happens in the end times.

The saints of God will perform signs and wonders.

And there'll be a great outpouring of the Holy Spirit in these times at the time of the end.

So there's going to be wacky stuff on both sides.

And there's, look, if we're honest about it, what if these passages about, we see Iran right now, for example, literally shooting missiles into Iraq, Syria, and Pakistan with no real consequence.

But Pakistan is shooting back.

But yet there's an understanding in the scriptures that there's going to be a point where

The Iranian government is going to do whatever they want and actually invade their Sunni neighbors and get away with it completely.

No one will be able to stop them.

How is it that no one will be able to stop them?

I'm just saying, think about that in this respect, in the UAP situation, in the high technology, in the non-human intelligence, in the, right?

in the breaking the laws of physics type of stuff.

Just pull back a second and say, wait a minute.

What is God doing with this?

Because it's not just all deception.

It's real stuff.

Even if...

I'm trying to think of science stuck in my teeth over here.

Probably my beard.

I'm trying to think of a good analogy.

I really can't write the second, but I don't know.

A car.

It's a deadly weapon in the wrong hands.

It's a deadly weapon in all of our hands because accidents happen.

Sometimes you're good at it.

You get good over, you know, with experience and maybe you learn a lot about cars and you know how they work and all that stuff.

Does it mean you can build a car?

Maybe, maybe not.

But again, it's like who's who's driving the car is what makes it good or evil.

Right.

If someone goes with intent in their car to go ram into pedestrians.

That's totally, even though it looks the same, the car next to it has no intention of doing that and is going to avoid every person that might be a pedestrian and every danger and wants nothing to do with that kind of stuff who has no harm on their mind.

But it's the same Toyota Camry.

Sorry, Toyota.

You see what I mean?

Probably not.

I've lost everybody right there.

The technology is not the issue.

To say there's something flying around in our atmosphere or in our oceans or in our skies that defies the laws of physics doesn't mean the government made it.

It could very well be something from the supernatural world or from the heavenly realm, from the second heaven where we know there's good and evil.

or trans-dimensional travel of some kind.

There's all kinds of theories that we can work on scripturally if we're not going to jump the gun into arrogance.

Who's to say that the technology itself is from God?

But it depends on who's using it or what it's used for.

That would be the issue.

So that would be like when you say don't be deceived with this UFO UAP thing, that would be like saying look at the car lot and don't be deceived that the car's in the lot.

That's not the point.

If it's real, it's real.

We just have to accept it.

I hope that kind of makes sense.

You know...

Cause I'm right with you guys.

I'm not, I don't know nothing about it.

I'm interested.

Yeah.

I'm interested.

I've always been interested in physics.

I've always been interested in, in, uh, you know, secret programs and things that fly and, and jets and, and whatever my, you know, my father and my uncles were all grandpas were all military.

So I have total respect for that.

Um, but then I also know human nature and, um, the, the arrogance that would not allow you to say, we can't defend you with the military of the United States likes to be known as the one who knows everything and can protect you from anything and can destroy everything at once.

But it can't, that's the, that is the elephant in the room.

is that in the 1950s, for example, there was a massive UFO sighting over the White House or over Washington, D.C.

Jets were scrambled to intercept them.

So you can't tell.

This is the 50s.

We got no tech like we do today.

There's nothing.

The United States military was not doing that to themselves, right?

For example, again, you don't go read it.

It's out there.

But yes, so if it's real, we just have to admit it's real.

And no, we don't have to know everything about it.

And yeah, they're going to lie to us in the government and say they don't, you know, that it's really them or that it's all explainable with science or nature.

No, it ain't.

No, it ain't.

Until we figure some more stuff out.

Until we got some divine intervention.

Until angels show up.

Who knows?

Okay.

All right.

I think enough said about that.

t-rex is sorry for sounding like a troll that's got to be the weirdest thing that's ever been airborne you're talking about the jellyfish thing yeah it doesn't look like it should fly well why is it shaped like the way i don't i don't i agree

Yeah, we can.

I don't want to have a back and forth on the veracity of the jellyfish, the UAP thing.

I don't need to be convinced on that.

I mean, I see when I see tech, you know, infrared and military grade, you know, millions of dollars in equipment over a base that should be completely secure.

I don't need to see anything else.

I mean.

It's there.

We've got to deal with it.

Nothing to debunk.

Okay.

Okay.

I know I said I wouldn't engage Tiki on this.

The data is not questionable, in my opinion.

I'm not a total moron.

I mean, for what it's worth.

I do a lot of reading.

And I like data.

Default should be that if it can be explained within a normal context, it should be.

I agree.

Totally.

This is not saying every single UFO sighting is real or every single video is legit.

Clearly not.

But if it wasn't for these videos being leaked to Corbell, the military would never have admitted anything was a UAP.

So this is the way it has to be done with through very imperfect people.

And I don't know nothing about Corbell to charge him with grifting.

He's never asked me for money.

Anyways.

Oh, I said that already.

And Tiki says, I can't think of a single instance in the Bible where an extra-dimensional angelic messenger had to step out of a craft to talk to Isaac, Daniel, etc.

How do you know?

Look at Ezekiel.

Why does God have to show up in a vehicle?

Why does his throne need to be pulled around by four things?

Why is there a wheel within a wheel?

Why?

What is that?

Why is Elijah brought up in a quote-unquote cloud, a chariot of fire?

What is that?

Why would he need that?

Why would God need to send such a vehicle?

Why would Jesus step into a cloud to ascend up into heaven on the Mount of Olives?

I'm talking about in Acts chapter 1.

Why would he need to be the angels that just so happened to be there right after that vehicle or whatever that was came and took Jesus away?

Now they were there.

And they said, don't worry.

What you're looking at, he's going to return in the same way that he left.

Why say that?

Why not just he'll return?

Why is it that we see in Revelation 1 and in Isaiah 19 and many, many other places about him being called rider of the clouds?

Yes, you can definitely make an argument that this is how it works, that you do need some kind of transportation.

That's Bible.

Okay, I'm not saying it's a one-for-one, like this is definitely that, but you can't say it's not in there.

Sure it is.

Again, these are the things we have to accept.

We just have to accept them as true.

How are we going to deal with satanic miracles for real and fallen angels and stuff if we can't even admit that these things are possible?

A miracle?

Look, I'm a...

I'm not trying to say the things that Jesus himself, God himself, who Jesus is, God, when he did miracles, that there was some type of technology behind that.

I'm not saying that.

But for others to do miraculous things, like evil ones,

to do what appears to be miraculous things, but they're not God, so they can't create miracles.

They're false signs and lying wonders because there's a secret to it.

There's no Bible that says fallen angels can make miracles.

The only context for that is Jesus himself and the followers of Jesus through the Holy Spirit.

That's it.

What about Janus and Jambres?

For the enemy to create a miraculous thing, it has to be a technology.

Now, the enemy, as we know, is not flesh and blood, not bingo, not bingo.

The enemy is not flesh and blood.

It's not America.

It's not the military.

It's not the Department of Energy.

They don't have the stuff to create anything.

The technology, I'm saying, would be with the principalities, the powers, the darkness, etc.

And so in other words, they need technology to do stuff.

but we didn't invent it.

And it's the juxtaposition between the enemies of, you know, the satanic, the demons, the fallen angels, et cetera, that make these great miracles and whatever that we should be on the lookout for.

They are juxtaposed to humanity.

They are not humanity per se, right?

So if they're the ones bringing these miracles and stuff, it can't be, they're not using the U.S.

government to do it.

Anyways, let's just leave it at that.

I'm getting too riled up.

So it's real.

Okay.

Don't be a believer or a debunker.

Take it for what it's worth.

Go listen to folks who have no agenda and who've experienced it because both of those things are true.

All right.

Okay.

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Lord willing, maybe next week we'll come back.

There's a lot of things to talk about in this arena.

So we'll keep on it.

I want to, again, provide a safe space.

This is not a place to argue.

This is not a place to mock.

If you've gone through something, maybe you've seen something yourself.

Maybe you have an experience.

Maybe, again, you're on these programs or whatever, or you know someone or what have you.

Okay, this pastor will say, look, Christians realize something's going on.

And we got to get it right with the Lord.

And to have our minds blown, that's okay.

That's all right.

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