Jason Sands Full Interview

Christian UFO Program Whistleblower Jason Sands full interview. A very special interview with Master Sergeant (ret) Jason Sands - USAF veteran, part of "The Program", official Whistleblower and committed Christian. Jason may be uniquely qualified to speak to both audiences.

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Transcript:

All right, my friends, welcome to a special live edition of Unsealed. This is Wings of the Eagle. I am Christopher, hopefully your brother in Christ, but your host for the night. And we are very, very excited to have Mr. Jason Sands with us. Just a second, I'll bring him to the conversation. I just wanted to tell you all, first of all, thank you for being here. Please do the whole like and share thing. We like likes, we love loves, but sharing is definitely caring. So please go ahead and do that, especially on YouTube. That would be fantastic. But welcome to the X viewers. And even on my Facebook page. So get in your question, your comment, your concern, whatever you've got for Jason, go ahead and just type it into wherever you're watching this and we will bring it up as we go. And we've got some time here tonight. So anything you wanted to ask again, as long as it's. courteous and kind, not mean, we will take it and we'll still be friends. Okay? Good deal? All right. So without further ado, I'm very, very honored to have Mr. Jason Sands along with us here on SEAL. Jason, my brother, thank you for doing this and thank you for being here, man. You have no problem. I'm glad you invited me. I've always wanted to talk about the Christian side of things that I've been involved with in life. So that's my main motivation for this, like I told you. And like I told all the audience here is I wanted to introduce Jason to a new audience. Number one, maybe to the folks in the Christian world who feel funny, are kind of weird or not following along with this whole UAP, UFO situation. What's going on with this? What's real? What's not, right? Nothing but questions. And maybe they have thought about it and they think it's all one thing. So they just don't bother. or the other side of it, which is folks in the UFO community really have gotten to know who you are, or if they don't, they should. And you've done lots of spaces and lots of podcasts and things over the past couple of months. You've been very open and available, which is tremendous and awesome. So it's really been a great opportunity to get to know you from that side. But like you just said, there's another side to you that I want to make sure we all are aware of. And because it's worth knowing and it informs everything, right? Everything that you're doing, that you're saying, that your belief system, how this all maybe affected your faith. So I want to get into all of that. um but just before this is a tiny bit of background and before I introduce you and your background yourself how did this all get put together is um I've been following along pretty closely the last two years or so with the developments and and uh you had come out like you said on the spaces and things kind of easing into the conversation uh and I was like ah I don't know about this guy. Just to be honest, I don't know what's going on with him. Is he telling the truth? Has he been vetted? All this stuff was circulating, right? Yes. Of course, you know it well. And it was all going crazy. And I'm like, you know what? I don't know, man. I don't think I'm going to listen to this guy. But then the James Fox documentary called The Program was released, which was your basic first public documentary. appearance more or less right yeah and I watched that right away excellent documentary and your segment and it came up and I felt terrible I was I felt awful I'm like this guy is telling the truth I mean, I don't see why I was concerned at all. I'm sorry I believed anything negative at all or was overly suspicious or critical or whatever. So I just reached out to you, right? I mean, I just sent you a DM over Twitter or X. And I just said, hey, introduce myself and say, I just want to say I'm sorry, even though you never met me, because it was presented in this way. And I kind of was buying the hype instead of the real person. and the real that happens a lot to me yeah yeah so that's that's how I was gonna say most people once they get to know me they realize I'm just a genuine person um but uh yeah it's it's not an easy thing for a person like myself you know uh having to go through what I did um and actually just get to see these things in real life um so yeah it shook my world too and being a believer a christian uh yeah I've really had to study my bible and reread all of it but uh yeah we'll get into some of that and how I've uh gotten into the the scriptures again and I really haven't found anything that's untruthful or goes against what god's word says but there there seems to be a reality that we're not alone and uh that's what I had to come to grips with That's one thing I wanted for the Christian audience to know right off the bat, but you already did it, which is it's not a joke to you. This is not some kind of thing that you're into or whatever. You're a committed believer. You know your Bible. Just FYI, I mean, for you all to know, we've had discussions. We've been offline. We've had talks. Guy knows what he's talking about. Nobody's perfect. Obviously, nobody knows everything. But you can tell when a Christian is serious about their scriptures and about serving God. definitely yeah and uh that's something that I've been very uh even I think my adulthood uh was when I really got a very strong walk with god because you know you go to church with family members in my case it was my aunt norma and uh she was the one who introduced me to the bible and had me say my first uh prayer um for salvation but uh I later got baptized and again I don't think it was you know a fully full realization on my part what that meant until I became an adult. And I did it all over again just because I felt like, yes, I am committed. Yes, I do believe what's in the Bible, that God is real. And then at the same time, around the same time of life when I was getting very serious about God, about a year or so later, I get married and get introduced to this program that just really rocked me. Interesting coincidence, right? So, yeah, let's start at the beginning then. You've obviously, like you say, you were raised in a kind of church environment. But right from the beginning, maybe a long time ago now, with this whole interaction with your military service, obviously, that's where it really came out and became front and center for you. But you said there were incidents before that ever happened when you were younger, you and your family. Can you get into that a little bit? Yeah, the strange things, I think everybody's got either spiritual strange things that they can't explain. Some people, miracles. Some people, you know, have been taken out of situations where they were in a really bad health condition, things like this. But this has been part of my family since I was a very small child, the strange things happening. I don't think there was a I think as a very young child, I don't think I ever disbelieved God because I had kids on the playground. Some of them go to church and they challenge me. Do you believe in God? And I never said no. I mean, I always thought, well, that's a possibility, a very strong possibility. So I never disbelieved God as a child, and I still had some strange experiences. And some of them dealt with being in situations where my younger sister was going to get hurt. And I felt there was a voice that sounded like my dad and just said, watch out for Debbie. And at that very instant, she was going to fall towards this really sharp edge of the table. And because my mom happened to look at her when I said, you know, his dad home. And I think he said, watch out for Debbie. And she's like, well, your father's not home. But she happened to look at Debbie and reached out her arm and prevented her from hitting the back of her head really, really bad. She still got a bad hit on the head, but it wasn't as severe as it could have been because there's a part of the skull from what I've heard from, you know, people in the army, that that's one of the places that you can kill somebody just by penetrating the base of the skull and the center part with just like a quarter inch of a knife. And that's enough to get you. And that's where she probably would have ended up because it was just a little bit to the left of that area that she actually did hit the table. So I couldn't explain that. I don't remember the voice to this day. Very strange. It seemed like it came from everywhere. But like I said, I just thought it was dad. I thought dad was home. and was just yelling from upstairs for some reason. But anyways, that was one of the very first times that I really started to think about God because I actually went upstairs after my mother said, no, dad is not home. I'm like, yeah, right. So I went upstairs and he wasn't home. And I'm like, all right, then what was this? And that was about it. So, yeah, and there's several other times, I've had friends in church that we prayed over I remember one friend when we were in Las Vegas, my wife was saved with me in Las Vegas for a second time. And because I kind of fell away after I went to Germany, partied out a bit. And then I got back on my feet with my walk with God. But when we were there, there was a lot of different things that happened with a friend had shown us their tumor. that was in their brain. We prayed over them and then later on the tumor was gone and they showed the pictures and I couldn't believe that either. I was like, I have never seen anything like this. So there's definitely some reality to the things that are in the Bible, the things that the prophets did, laying on of hands, all those types of things. And I totally believe it after all of those experiences. And like I said, my mother was there for some of these experiences. My wife was there for others while we were going through church. And she could probably list a few things that she can't explain how we ended up working through some things that we just couldn't. Because I remember one other story before we move on. But my wife and I worked at a homeless shelter for the Salvation Army. And there was a woman there with two children. And one of the children had a tracheotomy to breathe. It was really unhealthy. But ended up, this woman had been in the house, and her husband had sadly committed suicide. And she had run away with the children. And after a while, it ended up that we found out she was kind of abusing the children. um when we weren't looking there she'd take off in her van but we didn't know how to end it we wanted to take care of the children which we did uh but god kind of took care of it it was like one night she really got angry with us and decided she was going to go sleep in the van just down the street and our neighbor called the cops and uh they took her away and when they interviewed us the whole thing got resolved because the cops were like yep uh this is uh we're gonna take her away thank you for telling us and when they looked up her name they found out that she was wanted for questioning in her husband's death and um everything just resolved in that one night and we were praying so hard that day because it it just had really broken us because we really didn't know what to do because we thought the child would you know that was needing help would be taken along with the wife or the mother so that was something that we couldn't have figured out on our own And just that was more situational. And then there was another time. I'll tell you one more. Yeah. When my wife and I were saved, she felt as if God was calling her to be a stay at home mom. But we needed her paycheck and we were going to be short about two hundred bucks. And I didn't know how we were going to make it because I hadn't sewn on my next rank yet. And I needed that rank to make the money we needed if she was going to quit the Air Force. So for an entire year, two hundred dollars showed up in our in our account. Sometimes it was friends helping us and other times it was just, you know, an insurance company saying we overpaid. And there was, you know, I can't explain that. So an entire year of that, it's like winning the lottery several times over. But so those are the kind of strange things I think a lot of people can talk about is that they've run into things like that where how do you explain this? You know, you kind of get the luck of the draw kind of a. miracle things that happen you just you're like well I don't know it must be god yeah for a year yeah I can't explain that yeah that's amazing man so obviously like you were just mentioning there so you ended up in the air force was it right after school did you no I tried to get out on my own for a bit I stayed out of the air force until I was uh years old um because I wanted to see what it was like to try to make it out there but um I really needed to get into college is what I found out and I really wanted to prove to myself that I could get things done so I joined the air force to prove to myself that I could set that goal and twenty two years later I was able to retire honorably from the air force so I proved myself correct I also had a beautiful family family had my degree all those good things that happened lots of blessings all the way through That's awesome. Okay, so we're up to less. I still want to go back to some weird happenings in your childhood that we probably should bring up. So now we're up to the point. By the way, I just want to say hello to some friends who are checking in. There's T-Rex, our moderator for the evening, by the way, in YouTube. Hi, T-Rex. For her, yeah, indeed. Thank you. Bond servant, she's always everywhere and faithfully watching. Hey, Shannon. What's going on, Shannon? TJ, we just really love this, which is reposted the stream on X. Thank you. Exactly what we should be doing. Exactly right. Thank you, brother. I would say checks in the mail, but there's not. But thank you for that. And I see your question there. We will get to that. I promise. Oh, hey, Gene. Gene from NC. All right. North Carolina checking in. Thank you for being there as well, Gene. And anyone else, feel free to say hi if it's just hello, where you're from and all that. I'd love to hear that. Again, any question or comment that you have for Jason or myself for whatever reason, but Jason, definitely feel free to just type it in and ask as we go. It doesn't matter. We'll get to everything until we fall asleep. Let me just scare you, Jay. I'm just kidding. It won't be that long. But anyway, okay. So we are in the Air Force. By the way, I wanted to be in the Air Force when I was a kid because I loved airplanes, right? I loved jets, F-Fifteen. Like that was my thing, man. I got to get in there. And I'm asking my dad was in the Navy. And I'm like, hey, dad, how do I get into the Air Force? He's like, well, you got to join. And then you got to go to boot camp and stuff. I'm like, whoa, whoa. Boot camp. I'll pass. But anyway, I love the idea. I love the idea of it. But you actually did. And I think you and you were is this an E-seven what you attained the rank that you ended up with? Master Sergeant. I think in the Navy, that's the equivalent. My dad was a chief petty officer. So I think it's about the same. Right. In the Navy, I've been called a chief. Chief? That's what I would be, yeah. Cool. Yeah, so it's not an insignificant rank. You have to show some stuff and impress some people and get some work done and show that you're worthy of the rank, which you did. So I just want everyone to know that that's it. What was the exact unit you were in? What did they call it? Intelligence something or other, brigade, this and that? It's telecommunications monitoring and analysis unit. And what you do is you just go around to bases where commanders and their staff are wanting to know if there's any intelligence leaks or if there's security problems. And then you go out for two weeks and you monitor all the different types of way that people communicate and give them an assessment. And then you kind of help them through that. how to fix it. So that's what I did. So I learned a lot about computers. I learned a lot about telephones, a lot about cellular phones, fax machines, all those things, because those are the technologies we had to get in and kind of break into these organizations, just like we were the bad guys. But at the end of the day, we were the good guys and we'd tell you what we did. Right. So you're kind of pushing the limit, trying to break stuff in a friendly way. Correct. And it's the same thing I did in the program at Groom Lake as well. So I was doing the same work, but the added disciplines that were added to it was we would also deploy with OSI agents. who would go around and do the physical security type stuff and dumpster diving looking through trash for intelligence value items trying to break into the base trying to sneak indoors that they shouldn't be that kind of stuff okay so you said groom like those of you who don't know that's area yes Okay, that's like the place in the lore, right? Remember, we were told for decades and decades, there is no such thing. Doesn't exist. That's all made up. It's conspiracy theories. All of a sudden, it's not made up. It's real. It's totally real. And we've used it this whole time. And it's all top secret stuff, just like y'all have been saying. And you were there. And you were there. And by the way, again, I want to refer folks to get all the details on your background and the vetting and all that process and all that stuff. You can check out the program by James Fox. And one of the portions in that, I don't know why to this day. Do you know why they bleeped out Area-Fifty-One when you said that? It was just for OPSEC reasons. When I did my pre-publication, I was not allowed to say that word. I don't know. They didn't give me a reason. They just When you give them the things that you want to go public with, they just line through the stuff they tell you not to talk about. They don't really give you an explanation as to why they want to do that a lot of times. And I think in this one, the only mention was that for OPSEC reasons was written down somewhere on the letter. And that was all they gave me. I was like, OPSEC, for what reason? Is that for other people? Is that for me? What is that for? I don't know. So the point is you're there not just because you were some guy and who they randomly assigned there. This is top secret stuff. And when you say you're in the program, big P, right? Capital P. Explain that to someone who's never heard that. What does that mean? Everybody's probably heard the term black program, which they fall under different categories once you got into them. There are the acknowledged black programs. In other words, we don't say anything about it, but if somebody, if it gets discovered, we admit that it's us. Then there's the unacknowledged. And that is when you go out there and you get discovered, we won't say it's us. And then there are the wavered and unacknowledged, which is even if it's Congress asking if it's us, we don't have to even worry about oversight from Congress bothering us. And that's what this program is. That sounds illegal, Jason Sands. Pretty much it does. And that's why it goes through a certain level of scrutiny. You know, there's not very many of these programs around. Sorry to interrupt you. I mean, the process is supposed to be, even if you got to that super secret waived WSAP level and all that stuff, the gang of eight, these eight Congress people, the senators and congressmen, these eight folks are always supposed to know everything. But that isn't the case. Right. And I think there's something lacking in here. And that's one of the reasons I came forward. I told Congress, both the House and the Senate side, that it's about time for a review because these black programs that are wavered like this, in this case, it's been around for over eight years now and Congress has never reviewed the program fully. And they've pretty much been given the Heisman every time somebody asks a question about it. So I think- The Heisman, right? Yeah, yeah. They just told us back off. You don't have a need to know, but there needs to be a better review process. so that every you know so often the program can be reviewed so that things don't get skewed or go go South or go down a bad path which is kind of what I feel happened here now you would also hear the same thing from David Grush and some of the other whistleblowers they had concerns as well just like I did that some of this technology this exotic technology has been uh manufactured into workable weapon systems and things like this. And they've been used improperly in my mind. What technology, Jason Sands? Forms of propulsion, airframes, stealth technologies, communication means, anti-gravity, all sorts of things. Where do we get that from? Well, some of it are eureka moments from scientists and engineers that are very smart. When I was in the program, I could tell you this was part of my things that I could talk about publicly because I went through all the legal wickets. But pretty much there was a bunch of stuff in there that was just like vanilla reverse engineering. You knew they were talking about like a craft or a fighter jet from one of our enemies and they were just tearing it apart and they were talking about you know, what country it was from. And that was just kind of vanilla reverse engineering. And then there was this other cadre of stuff. And you would hear the scientists and engineers being very frustrated because they're like, they couldn't figure it out. And they had very little access to other people and other scientists because of the compartmentalization of the program. Really what happened a lot of times with these poor scientists is they were handed a piece of equipment and asked, figure it out. don't get to talk to too many people you got problems you come to the the program lead and that's it and if they grace you with another person they'll grace you with another person if not just shut up and do your work and that's how they work um they just go out there and they try to figure things out and the way I saw it it seemed like it was about every five to ten years they had a breakthrough um so if it's been eighty years since the first stuff that happened like in Roswell, which I can vouch for the fact that did happen. There was actually two crafts that did crash and they can't explain what civilization it came from. They originally thought it was Russians, but it wasn't. So it's been eight years and you can imagine they've made some breakthroughs. And on top of that... Whoa. All right. I didn't do that. Somebody didn't like Jason talking about Roswell. I don't know. Come on back. Come on back, brother. There he is. Okay. All right. Somebody didn't like you talking about Roswell or something, Jack. Yeah. That kind of stuff is going on right now. Um, but anyway, it's been going on for about eight years and, um, yeah, they made some breakthroughs. So the technology is there. Um, Some of it's our own. Some of it's our own breakthroughs on stuff we don't know where it came from. And that's pretty much where the two five kingdoms of the technology come from. So this is one that you can readily see. This is normal kind of stuff that we can readily identify and then there's this other stuff that we're just like I don't know where it came from okay well that's the juicy bits isn't it and that's the part where I really want to drive home to maybe an audience who is dismissive of that or thinks it's bogus or whatever I'm just telling you now we got a brother on here there's no reason to tell you any lies and he's a believer like you and he's telling you that happened and that's real We have to deal with that. I do want to deal with this real quick. Shannon asked, she said, black programming highly classified. Basically, that's what it means. Essentially, it's the funding. You don't know how it's allocated. It's a secret, how it works, how it's existing, how it's being paid for. There are responsible people that are called gatekeepers that usher in the money. And then below them, I think sometimes they don't even know where it actually ends up. But they they do get money for these programs. And yeah, they have to get get some kind of funding to do all these sorts of things. Now imagine from the exotic tech, they can maybe surreptitiously create patents for themselves and leak them out into, you know, say they want to set up a front business where they use part of some computer technology that they discovered. And next thing you know, they're selling fiber optics and making a bunch of money for it. And maybe some of that gets siphoned back in and that might be another funding source. That's just a hypothetical, I'm sure. Yes, that's just a hypothetical. Right. Okay. Our Fred Bond servant actually did live in the Roswell area, by the way. I knew an older man in Roswell when living there. He couldn't say much, but he said what he found was legit. He even showed me a couple of photos with him in them and had a close-up of some metal piece. and here's the part two I don't recall what he all said it was forty years ago about but I'll never forget he said he would get in trouble for telling me more yeah yep and that's true I mean if I got into the detail of these weapon systems and how they're applying the technology to them yeah I still can't talk about that But I can definitely tell you that it's OK to say we're not alone. They're perfectly OK with that. They're OK with saying that there is a program that exists to reverse engineer. They're OK with that. And so all the things that I've been telling you about are really just kind of like the culture, what it is to be a Black World program, what is part of all that. I did want to elaborate a little bit that these Black programs are more than just the budget. They do, you do have to, first of all, to get in them, you have to have a top secret clearance, and then you have to be read in on a name by name basis. And once you're in that program, then everything you deal with in that program is marked with a code word for that program. So it's above top secret, in other words. So you need to be read into it specifically. They have choose you to do it. Yes. By name. Then you're read into the details and then you're given this special code word that identifies it. And that's how they would basically confirm that you're in it. If you know the word. And you've done that, correct? Several times, yeah. When you gave testimony to Congress behind closed doors, and that's under oath as well. It's not as if anyone could just go in and make up a story. You're put under oath at that time, and you're confirming code words and program names. Yes, I had to do that in a SCIF environment to only certain individuals that had the need to know in Congress who were trying to get control of what was going on in this program, which really revolves around UAP. So that's why I came forward. That's why another forty to eighty other whistleblowers came forward. And I find it quite strange that a lot of people that are just like me, honest people, exposed to very high strangeness, have all pretty much the same concerns as I do. You've got forty to eighty of us now with very high clearances. uh all of us had to pass polygraphs had our entire lives investigated and then just to become a whistleblower had to go through the congressional uh legal process and investigative work then we had to go to arrow or some of us went to arrow some of us didn't like to go to arrow because they thought arrow was compromised but I did um and then talked to the inspector general as well and they do an investigation they do a background check and on and on and then the final leg of your legal uh legs is to go through your pre-publication so that you can write down what things you want to go public with if you choose to go public, which I did. So those are all the things. I've got documentation to prove all of it. I've shown people on X the emails between me and all of these organizations. There's nobody that's a couch potato that can outdo their investigative work. I've tried to convince people that keep bagging on me. I've probably shown more documentation than any other person has. You have. You have. I mean, just being honest, I don't know anybody else who has produced more proof of what you're talking about than you. I really don't. So this whole campaign, or this is kind of why I felt so bad in the beginning, which was, wait a second. He would never be in this doc at all. They ran him through the mill, right? They double-checked and triple-checked. They would never even put him in the movie. But it's legit as you can get. You're going on podcasts, like big famous ones with your papers in it, right? Julian Dory or whatever. You had the papers with you and all that stuff. I'm like, how much more does a guy have to do? Apparently, you have to be either carrying an alien or a UFO on your back. I guess. And even then, I'm sure there'd be a bunch of people that would say, oh, it's just a fake. And you would get that problem. But anyway, if folks are struggling with the content of what you're saying, you should not be struggling with the credentials of who you are, what you did. You did it the right way. You're not going rogue. I didn't even want to go public, honestly. That was an accident going public. It was my name being put on a clapper board just before the program was coming out, which was James Fox's film. And I guess people saw my name there and I was getting hit up pretty hard at work about it. So I had to tell my leadership and, um, This led to that, and finally I just said, oh, what the heck, I'm just going to go public. But up until that point, I had told James Fox, the film director, you're not going to show my face and you're going to mask my voice. I had no intention of going public. But all that happened a different way, so I guess God had a different path for me. I was just going to say, man, this is one of those times, sounds like, like with your sister or all these other things, like maybe you didn't intend it, maybe you didn't want it, but maybe there was another plan here. And you think out of all the whistleblowers, I was the one who spoke more strongly about my walk, my walk with God and Christianity. There's no doubt. And I also studied the scriptures as well. I did my due diligence to try to parse what I had seen and all that stuff. So I think out of all the whistleblowers, I was another aspect, maybe that, you know, that kind of led me down the path. There's no doubt. And this not to blow smoke or whatever, but this is a real important aspect is why I wanted to bring you on and to develop a relationship with the audience to bring this info out because It seems, and maybe you can comment on this or maybe you can't, but it seems like most folks who are of our belief system, our faith tradition, our Christianity, and who are in the government and who have access to the program in whatever way, way seems like most of the time they do not want to bring it up at all and they use their christianity as the shield like I'm not going to tell you because I'm a christian and that that drives me crazy like what are you talking about what happened to exposing the darkness to the light and and you know following the example of the lord on this like what are you doing guys I think a lot of Christians grow up like I did where, yeah, it's a controversial issue in our day and age. I think actually two millennia ago when God was actually more active, I think, with us and the early Christians. And even before that, you know, walking in the Garden of Eden, he was very real to them. Jesus was very real to them. The sons of God, not the sons of man, but the sons of God, the ones that are considered angels, were also talked about. And when I was younger, I just kind of brushed by those and just believed whatever the pastor told me. Oh, just brush past that. They're fluffy, ghosty, spiritual, invisible kind of things. But then when I'm an adult and I'm rereading the Bible and I go back through there, it says... these beings sat with Abraham, had lunch with him after he forced them to, and then miraculously had a child at an old age. And I'm like, that's a tangible person sat down in that tent with him. And you can't just brush that aside gently and just say, oh, fluffy cloud, invisible person, spiritual thing. And that's where I was like, Wow, you know, that makes sense. And that's why I was struggling, I think, when I had to reread my Bible after being exposed to the program. Let's go there then because you can – there's other places you can go to watch and hear about the details about your encounter, okay, or whatever you want to call it. But you're working at Area-Fifty-One. You're on mission. You're driving, right? Yes. At this point, at this day, particular day, and you – had a visitor right there so again I just want to preface that for what you just said fluffy spiritual things is what maybe we're thinking and that's all that that is but then this stuff like this happens so why don't we just tell the folks you don't know of the incident that apparently people have a hard time believing for whatever reason um you were driving with your with your team basically right you're on mission and what happened Well, being in Las Vegas, I had two jobs. I had the one in the program and I had the one that was my normal day job kind of a thing where we were training the air crews on the Nellis test range. And we would go up to a place called Black Mountain, which is on, you can catch it on any map that's out there. If you look up the Nellis test range, the Black Mountain, we had a building there that we called the schoolhouse. And for two weeks, you would deploy uprange, which is what we called it when we went up to Black Mountain. And we'd stay in a local hotel in Beatty. And we would convoy up in about three vehicles or four vehicles, depending on how many people had to be there. And that's what we were doing this one morning. But I have to precursor this with the week before this. There is a video of... I think if anybody wants to Google this or search for this online, you can find this video of a UFO that came onto the range the week before I showed up. And everybody that was at the schoolhouse working there the previous week saw it because it flew right by the schoolhouse and down through the valley. And that video is you can search for it. It's called the Nellis Test Range UFO of nineteen ninety four. And you should be able to find it. And it's got a little briefing and a report and lots of pictures it has the original video as well and you can find other people that have analyzed the video and told you what all the different annotations on that video are if you go through that I'd be happy if anybody else wants to you know ask me about the video too I know what all the annotations mean also but anyway the videos are always just so everybody knows the videos are always there because if there's any flight safety issues where a crew goes down or jet crashes out there while we're doing training, they want the video to go and review it and see what happened for flight safety issues and make sure that, you know, was this an accident or could we have done something better this time? and saved the craft or the people that might have died so that's the reason these videos are all strewn across the range so that video is out there so this happened the week before and everybody that came back from black mountain on that friday was very excited that they had seen this thing and they're like I don't know what it was it looked like a screwed up helicopter and blah blah blah or no it was a ufo I don't know what that thing was you know they were all arguing back and forth and some of the people were just shaking their heads like you know I don't want to hear it I don't want to hear it And they kind of like just exited the coffee room where they were at. And so anyway, that's what happened that Friday. So the weekend transpires. Apparently this UFO was still on the range and the pilot was there also. And that's who I encountered the following Monday morning when we went up to Black Mountain to go set up our operations for the day. So we left the hotel and convoyed up and we went up. to what we call the containment area, which is really just like a little gas station where you can gas up or change your tires. And it's right near the entrance to the range. So we were told by the ranking individual and he was in the same car with me. He was the driver. I was sitting right behind him. There was a passenger on his side and a young lady to my right. So there were four people in my vehicle and the rest of them were in trail. All the other convoy vehicles were in trail. So the leader says, hey, we got to go into the containment area today. The video operators want to talk to us about that UFO that people were talking about on Friday. I'm like, oh, great. You know, so we go in there and sure enough, they show us the video and then they pull out a piece of paper. They make us write our names down and also annotate whether or not we had seen this craft on that previous Friday or not. And I don't know what they're intending to do with it, but if I ever can get a hold of that piece of paper, they're going to have a whole slew of witnesses to go through. Because there's about ten of us there that morning. So we finished watching the video, and I write my name on the list along with everybody else. And as I'm exiting, there was this lady that I had noticed. She was kind of sitting off to the left against the wall with another gentleman. And she kind of grabs me by the arm, and she looks really kind of upset. And she's just really scared, looks at me in the face and says, hey. there's somebody on the range and don't talk to him. Don't talk to him at all. And I could tell him, I'm just like, okay, strange lady. Thank you for the news. You know, I got a job to do. I got to go up to black mountain now. Thank you. So we all get back into the vehicles and start driving about a half a mile to a mile from the cantonment area. As we're traveling towards a mountain, it's called quartz mountain. Um, there's this, uh, what it looks like a person running towards us, uh, And running really funny. And as we get closer, I kind of looked to my left and there's that weird looking craft. I thought it was a helicopter at first, but then as we got closer, I'm like, that's the UFO we just saw, you know, on that video. And this individual was wearing BDUs just like us. They were wearing a military uniform. But as I got closer and the vehicle got closer, I could see the guy had a blue tint to his skin. And I thought, oh crap, this guy's going hypothermic. He's freezing to death because this was like October timeframe. It was, it gets very cold out there in the desert, by the way. So anyway, as we get closer, I'm starting to open my door and thinking I'm going to have to administer, you know, aid to this medical aid to this, this guy. And I'm trying to pull my jacket off because I think I got to wrap me in something and all that kind of stuff. And then as I'm opening the door, the guy in the passenger seat, he screams, he's got no effing ears. And I'm like, this guy's dying and you're talking to, I was like, holy crap. And I'm stepping out onto the roadway by this time. And I shut the door. The guy's like on the other side of the door, like no further than two to three feet from me. As soon as I shut the door and I looked up at him, I'm like, he's got no ears. His eyes are too big. How is his uniform so clean? I was really starting to get freaked out. And it was like that, you know, you just encountered a rattlesnake. Kind of a thing where you're like in fear for your life. But then he starts talking to me. And as he's talking to me, I realize I'm understanding everything, but he's not speaking English. It's some other language that I don't understand, but I'm somehow able to understand what he's talking about. And he's kind of talking about his craft needs to repairs, and he needs a certain material called Tintillium. And I'm like, I don't know what that is. Is that like titanium? Because I knew what that was. And he's like, no, it's not it. And so we had kind of about a five-minute conversation. And then when he found out I didn't have what he needed, that he just kind of didn't even say goodbye. He just kind of turned off the roadway and headed back to this craft that was sitting there and resting on the desert floor. So he gets into his craft and off he goes. At some point during that conversation, I remember looking at my fellow airmen in the cars and they all seemed to be zonked out like they were just like drooling on themselves, kind of like zombie stare, you know, not like nothing's going on upstairs. And then when he finally got up over the roadway, then they all came to, and, uh, I was back in the car at that time and we just didn't have any time to mess around. We just had to get up to the black mountain. And, uh, I'm like, you know, waiting for somebody to bring up, you know, did you see that? And nobody said anything. And I was still, still kind of in shock and I just kind of kept quiet. And, um, I'm thinking about a lot of different things like, you know, what I'd heard in the program. what I was exposed to, because this was like a few months after I exited the program and got read out of the program when this encounter occurred. So this was outside of my duties in that program. But anyways, we go up to Black Mountain and set up for the day. And then at lunchtime, I had a very strange compunction to go eat lunch outside, even though it was really cold. And I have missing time and I don't know what happened. And I have two images in my head from that time. I can see the schoolhouse from about one hundred fifty feet above it in the air. And I also have a star map that just was emblazoned in my head that I can't get rid of. So somehow in that missing time, those two images were put into my head. How much time is it? I was gone for a good we had an hour for lunch. And I remember coming back and I didn't have much time left before we started operations again. It's almost an hour. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Could you, the map, do you still remember the map? Yeah, I drew it for David Grush and the UAP task force people. And I produced it for them because they asked the same thing. And when I handed it to him, David Grush kind of is into astrology and he has a way of looking up the star maps that are out there. And he just said, oh this is the constellation leo and I was like really I don't know he's like wow that's kind of amazing you don't know anything about stars and yet you drew a map of leo and I'm like okay whatever you say but yeah um but that's the map I drew and I still have that laying around somewhere um So that was a part of it. That's amazing. So there's a lot of things going on right here. Okay. As far as you know, you're the only person in your convoy, your group, that remembers or saw anything. As far as you could tell, everyone else was kind of like frozen in sleep mode. Well, at least the people in my vehicle I knew were frozen. The people behind us in the other vehicles may not have been able to get a good shot of it because I'm big. And this individual stood about a good half a foot shorter than I. And they'd have a real tough time telling whether or not it was a human or an alien, really, because I was probably obstructing their view. But I don't know if those other people in the other vehicles were zonked out like the people in my vehicle. Wow. And this didn't last very long. It's just a quick combo. Five minutes and then we're out of there. Yeah. And did you see him get into this vehicle? I did. Yep. He walked over to the vehicle. That was part of the five minutes that I described there, maybe a little bit longer. but he just, he walked in there, the canopy lifted. You could see a cockpit inside. There was two seats. One looked like the, you know, was the pilot seat and another one behind it. And he got in the front seat, canopy closes, Power's up, and off it goes. And by the way, the program shows this drawing. Somebody else made a three-D model that looks really exactly like it. Somebody did a really good rendition of it. They did a great job. That's on my website. That's out there on the web as well. I think several people have reposted that. And it really does, to be just perfectly honest, it really does look like the video of the days beforehand where they recorded it. Something a few things that I could describe that aren't that you you know, you can see in the video, but not very well It's like the ram's horns part of it, right? Yeah, they when they're when it was resting on the desert floor They were straight up and down and they were like the landing gear on a helicopter and it just rested on those and then when it was in the air that ram's horns kind of spread out a bit and you can see that in the video and if you look at the video you see that but also there was this kind of a mist that kind of went as it was flying and I don't know what that was um so that was one of the aspects that uh very few people have heard from me that that's part of the encounter as well that they had some kind of a strange mist But if you look at the video and you remember what I said about it, you'll kind of detect that as well. If you look at the video, even though it's a bit grainy, you can still see that mist appearing in the half circle of those ram swarms that are on the left and the right of the canopy. Maybe that's what he was trying to fix. Who knows, right? Yeah, it could be part of the – yeah, it might have been part of what he had to repair. I don't know. Also, I wanted to mention, apparently I've heard from scientists that the Tintillium is actually a byproduct of nuclear fission or fusion. I'm terrible with science. I'm sorry, guys. But anyway – If I had known about it, there is another part of the test range where they do nuclear tests, and Tintillium is probably there in the ground. So if I had been smart during that encounter, I would have told him that's where this stuff is. How dare you not know that? Why do you think, and this is speculation, obviously, unless it's not speculation, why was he wearing a uniform? That was definitely obvious to me when we were having the conversation about And I was trying to tell him, you know, Croom Lake is over there. They do high tech stuff. And he's like, and a wave of this emotion, you know, hit me of disgust. And he says, they're barbarians and murderers. I'm not going to go to them for help. And that was very telling to me because then I thought this guy was working with them. That's probably why he's wearing this uniform. At least that was my impression. You know, after the fact, I thought it through and I thought that was probably why. And he probably had an altercation with them or something. And maybe they shot at his craft and that's why it was damaged. So all that's, you know, that's the best theory I have as to why he had the uniform on, his craft was damaged, and he had a bad impression of the people in the program. So those three things line up on that theory. That's a lot of stuff. Okay, and then you had the missing time at lunch, and you don't have any sensation of what that was. Obviously, if it's missing, it's like it never happened, but is there anything you can recall as far as a sense or emotion of it? And this goes along with this, you know, like, you know, God does look into the heart. So obviously he's telepathic or empathic, whatever you want to call it. God knows your thoughts. And, you know, probably several of his angel groups do as well. But anyway, so this telepathic part that I got exposed to, you know, that he was speaking another language, but I understood him. There was also a byproduct that I mentioned there with the emotion part. It was very confusing for me when that emotion hit me because it felt like it welled up inside of me that I was disgusted genuinely about these people. But then I had to have the self-awareness to go, wait a minute, I've got no reason to be disgusted with them. So this must this emotion must be coming from him. So there's this raw sharing of mind space where you're actually kind of one one person in a way. or at least communicating as one mind. And that also goes with this missing time at lunchtime, because not only did David Grush look at the star map and tell me this is the constellation Leo, he then asked me, you marked this one star, this one really big red one. Why did you do that? and do you do you know why can you tell me any more about this and initially I was like well no I don't remember but then this flood of memory came back it was like it triggered something in me that was part of this residue uh conversation I had with this individual and um I actually cried because uh this flood of memory hit um apparently this red star had expanded at some point and his one of his you know people's planets there's a lot of people that died there. And since they're telepathically connected, they all felt that some of the people had left the world that they were on and went and colonized another planet. But some of them were left behind because they wanted to die there at home, just like some of us would. Some of us would rather just die in our house along with our family rather, you know, if they saw impending doom, you know, this is the kind of feeling I got. And it made me cry because when I remember that, I know it's not my memory. I'm like, how would I know something like this? Why would I feel so emotional about something that is just a picture in my head? But now all this emotion was coming out and the meaning behind that red star. And so David was like, wow, that is amazing. He says, but that is what I've heard from other whistleblowers that have this residue information. When they've had a telepathic communication, there seems to be not only the missing time, but certain things and certain stimulus can actually bring the memories out. And he said, I think I just did that with you. And I'm like, I can't explain it. I like to think I'm a sane person, but here I was feeling sad about this whole thing. Right. So basically you were given this information or it was shared with you for whatever reason, and maybe you were actually taken somewhere for lunch or maybe it just was – Well, I think it was part of his kind of like accepting me and telling me who he is and where he's from. I think that was part of his story himself. Maybe that's what transpired over the lunch is that, you know, when he contacted me, I think because I felt a great deal of respect as well emotionally from him, that that would be something in line with his way of his temperament, that he would want to share that kind of stuff. Um, and that's why I think he shared it. It's just kind of like for you and I, you know, you and I converse for the first time we said, hi, we exchanged names, you know, get, get to know each other. Same thing is happening, but since they're telepathic, they've got this other additional form of communication. Would you say it was almost like a sleep state or like, um, like a sleepwalking? Well, I just don't remember it. Um, it's kind of like, um, yeah, I would, I would say it's just kind of like being knocked out, I guess. Yeah. Um, yeah, you just don't remember it. It's just kind of like a part of your day. You're like, um, gosh, what, what just happened? You know, um, I walked out with my bag of lunch and now it's gone and, I'm back here at the schoolhouse. What happened? You know, you just kind of, you feel very disoriented for a few minutes and then you get back to work, you know, cause that's all you can do. And that was that. So when this, this was after the whole, again, your, your secret program work was, was before this and this was more meaningless after it. Yeah. This is just after that. And, but do you know who this woman was who warned you about this guy? Do you know who she was yet? The woman? No. That cantonment area, that little hut where they were and they work out of there. they have odd jobs where, you know, there's the video guy who, you know, records everything, but then they also have to go to where the videos are, video cameras are, and check them, make sure they're pointed in the right direction, fix them or replace them if they're malfunctioning or whatever. So they're constantly doing that kind of work. And I imagine that's what they did over the weekend because, you know, we're flying all the rest of the week. They have very little time to kind of fix stuff. So they probably were in there over the weekend and maybe she was just working on the site and ran into this guy. Or caught him on camera or something and just basically... Yeah, she definitely knew he was there and didn't like it. She definitely was scared. Interesting. Interesting. Okay, so again, I just want to relate to you folks. This is a big deal, okay? If this happened to any of us, we might be questioning a whole lot of things in life and maybe with our faith and all. But... Now, since that has happened, you say you've basically dove back into what you believe in the scriptures. And it has, would you say it has strengthened your faith? Yes, definitely has strengthened. After I reread the Bible, and I took it very literally this time because I was like, I am searching for the truth here. You know, and I was praying, God, reveal to me in your word. show me what it is that this happened help me help me to understand this because I I believe you I trust you and that's what I was doing every day I'd open the Bible I'd pray and then I'd read and then I'd pray some more and I'd really think about everything and really what it boiled down to is after I reread the scriptures all these fantastic stories like some people don't they claim to be christians they don't believe jonah they don't believe the story of samson they some of them don't want to believe the burning bush even um all these sorts of things there are christians that walk around like that and most of them have not read the bible you know front to back you said it brother yes thank you that's right so that's what I did I I was like to heck with this I'm going to read it front to back again and actually went through it and I'm like wow I think that the Bible strengthened my belief because I was like not only do I believe in God but I've actually actually seen some of these beings these other living beings that are out there because the Bible actually describes groups of angels seraphim cherubim and a number of others there's a nephilim that were supposed to be the watchers which were also another group of angels and they were intermarrying with us and humans yeah and that's why the flood came is because they turned into an abomination um and god really felt like pressing the reset button on all of it um so all these things became reality to me unlike what I was before all of these encounters where I could just think, oh, fluffy clouds, angels, yay, you know. Oh, I'll pray to St. Mary today, you know, just whatever. I was no longer that little fluffy cloud Christian. I was like, no, this scripture is real. These are eyewitnesses of the transfiguration of Christ. These are the witnesses of God in the burning bush. These are the people that heard God's voice audibly. These are the people that saw angels alive. on our earth, doing things, interfacing with us. And the Bible even describes a hierarchy of organization and governance, just like the NHI are. We're just calling them different things in our age right now and secularizing it, but it's all in the Bible. So it's very real now, basically. It was before ethereal or philosophical, but now it's reality. Right. It hit me like a brick and it was like, this is real. That reading of that Bible that next time around was like, Not only am I reading this for real this time, but I believe every word of it now. That's what was happening to me. We need a church full of Jason Sands because that's what, I mean, that's what I think that's how we're supposed to read it, isn't it? I mean, that's what makes these things at face value. Yeah, if I could get away from all the hubbub of the sensationalism of UAP and stuff like that and just agree with the fact that, yes, there's a reality to all these that we're not alone. The Bible says we're not alone, for crying out loud. To that point, I think this is a good point to bring this up. Bonta asked this earlier. I'm curious how the unseen realm reconciles with what you know, like the bluish man with no ears. In other words, we're talking about things that you can't, the Lord and his angels and things, normally you can't see them. There's this other place wherever they exist and you can't observe them, but then you have instances like what happened to you. Where do you put that in to that system? that was also part of the bible readings as well like I was saying that time that instance with abraham struck me really solidly when abraham was eating lunch with these sons of god who gave him a baby and the rest is history kind of so to speak that's where I categorized this bluish man is that abraham could tell that these individuals were not people they were sons of god And he begged them, bless me, bless me, come eat with me. Don't leave. And they really didn't want to eat with them, but he begged and begged until finally they gave in. And then they went to his tent and they did all of that with him. So that's how I explain it, is that just like Abraham met these people, that's how I met this guy in the desert. They were real. And the unseen world, yeah, I think there's parts of it that just are exactly right in the Bible as well. There is an unseen world as well. um it's like where did god go after he walked in the garden of eden with adam and eve I don't know it's unseen um is it another dimension I don't know I know science has figured out that there are other dimensions and I can see where you know like uh just to make it easy to understand that in a two-dimensional world and in our three-dimensional world that if you know there's a piece of paper here and you're a two-dimensional person in there you could see me when I touch the top of the paper but then when I pull it away you can't see it anymore when I touch it pull it away and each time I do that if I move where my finger is I can appear over here to your right I can appear to your left but you don't know where I went in between but in the three-dimensional world you can see me poking my finger from one place to the other now think about a higher dimension like a fifth sixth seventh onward dimension Yeah, it could be unseen by us because our brains just can't comprehend. Right, but be in the same space, but you just can't observe them. Right, so that's just one of the things that I latched into science, and I'm like, yeah, that kind of explains this unseen part of what's in the Bible as well. All right. Let's actually ask another question here. So would it freak people out to know this, the truth of the matter? Is that why they don't admit things? Is it that simple or is there more to it? That is the fear that a lot of the people in the program have about this, is that you got to think when this program was started, we were in the McCarthy era. Everything was a threat. Everything was a Russian. Your neighbor was a commie. didn't know who to trust or whatever and we are very fearful creatures um so yeah that was what they they've always assumed is that oh you know if we let the cat out of the bag that we're not alone and we're also working with them or that we know where they're at and we've you know captured a few um yeah they still think that that's what's going to happen is everybody going to freak out but then the counter argument is well so we did eighty percent of the people around the world Already believe that we're not alone. And so many of them have had their own encounters. And we have a lot of people that claim to be abducted as well. So I think that that threat in that being scared thing. Yeah, I think there's some people that'll freak out. Honestly, you can't get around that. There's just, you know, people go nuts over the strangest things sometimes. But there's going to be, I think the majority of people are going to be, oh, well, yeah, I kind of knew that already, you know, and I kind of suspected that. And now, yeah, OK, finally, we're getting the truth. So the fear is the gatekeepers, the ones who know the answers, are afraid of societal breakdowns, basically. Well, that and the fact that I think If you believe the Roswell crash happened and the way they treated the bodies and the survivors or whatever, and the craft, if they were Russians, we would have treated them a hell of a lot better. Let me put it that way. We didn't make a very good impression. So it may have been a whole series of bad mistakes and bad decision-making in the program. And if they ever came clean, they might be afraid they're going to jail. That's another motivation for not telling the truth. And, and the program continues today. Correct. Still active. Yep. Um, let's, let's do a little real quick. Yes or no. If we can, um, crash retrievals, uh, you're saying Roswell really happened. So you're saying this retrieval business is true. Yes, it is. They actually asked me to be on the retrieval team very early on. Uh, when I got introduced, I said, no, it kind of grossed me out and the back of my head I'm like the way you're describing it they couldn't give me a hazmat suit or protective gear good enough for me to even want to touch that stuff right and so um yeah I was very adamant that I didn't want to do that but they ended up forcing me to do this anyway later on but the retrievals is if you can imagine um These other living beings that are coming around here and whatever purpose they have here on Earth, just like they did back in the early Christian world. Yeah, they were interfacing with us. And apparently they can be killed and maimed. So these these retrievals are a real mess sometimes, just like Jake Barber. He's another one of the whistleblowers now. I knew him before he came out about a year before he came out public. and we talked. So, uh, yeah, he, um, he's got it right when he says that he's lost some of his air crew people in the ground crew to the, to these retrievals, because it gets real nasty. You get the, some of the, uh, some of the, the, uh, survivors will give up willingly and other ones are fight or flight, just like the, we're in Virginia or Virginia, um, down in, uh, South America where James Fox investigated. Um, and you, you, if you follow that whole story there, you've got, what, three individuals running around from another civilization and people are chasing them down and then the military shows up and whisks it all away. Horror story. Bad retrieval stuff. You got, you know, and that story, if you believe it, is aliens dying and you've got some of our own people dying who encountered them. It's a real mess. Retrievals is a real mess. Can you say, do you know, and if you do know, can you say most often when there's a crash, is it because they had an accident or is it because we brought them down? A lot of times it's because we did it. That's how the Roswell crash occurred. Radars were not encountered until about World War II. era, you know, nineteen forties fifties. That's when the radar tech came out. Well, guess what happens when they got hit? It was like a directed energy weapon and it screwed up their craft and they crashed. Is that what we use now? What's that? Is that what we use today? The different versions of directed energies? Yes. In other ways that they have learned since then to take them out. Yes. They do it for fun like it's fishing or they think it's a threat. no they they've learned how to track some of them uh their neutrinos or neutrino trails are one way of doing it of sensing them so they do you know there's another aspect of the the craft when it comes into our atmosphere it changes power generation phases so you can detect that as well from space to an atmosphere some of the craft actually display a signature when that occurs So they get an idea and they have prepared very well for those kinds of things. They want more tech and they are going to get it by golly. It's weapons thinking, basically. They just want more weapons out of it? Well, I'd like to think that some of the scientists would want to use it for good, the technology for good. But because this is hidden in the Department of Defense... You can tell that the military has had a very heavy hand on weaponization with this technology and bent it to that. I think if we got to a better spot, like, you know, I've been trying to tell Congress and pleading with people that there is a common ground here. You know, just admit that we're not alone and that this is all real. And just leave the weaponization stuff to the side. That's national security stuff. But at least then you can actually go out and use these same technologies and share them to the medical field or the power generation scientific field to get free energies and things like this and start really helping mankind rather than weaponizing everything. Dual use, as you would say. Right. I mean, think about it. They make tons of money. If they did that, of course, you're the richest guy in the world. If you could give energy away. Right. So I think that's a common ground playing area that I've been trying to convince people that it's good for us. It's good for them. Can we please get over this? You know, don't want to talk about it. I want to lie all the time thing and get to a more mature and adult sort of way of handling things. But I think it's gotten so far out of hand that they are just so bent on never telling the truth, because like I said, I think they've made some mistakes. They're afraid of accountability, basically. Correct. They don't want to go to jail. And they're making innocent airmen and soldiers in whatever year after year lie about it. And I did tell Congress that the only way that some of them will come forward is if they have amnesty and that they won't go to jail, but then they might tell the whole truth and nothing about the truth, but I don't know. Is there anything more about crash retrievals that you wanted to say tonight? Just that, again, we're not setting the right tone. I mean, just like, you know, when you're living your life for God, you know, what kind of impression are we giving to all these other creatures that are out there? I mean, the watchers are here taking note of everything, according to the Bible, of all of our acts and our deeds and our words and what we've done. What kind of impression are we actually leaving in that record? That's the other part of the retrievals that I think is fascinating. It should shake you because aside from retrievals, we've been told by God himself that this is the way we should live in love and harmony. And yet you see every day you go to church on Sunday. The next day you're yelling at your wife because you're looking at porn, you know. and stuff like this and you're gonna fight and you're gonna fight tooth and nail for your porn I mean honestly we got to do better than that yeah man and it's a good point uh by the way and the adam and eve like you mentioned earlier well it's canon able it's kind of like It comes down to that, doesn't it? At the end of the day, are you going to make a weapon to kill your brother with, or are we going to do it the Lord's way? Yeah, I feel a lot of times after all this road that I've been on, it's all just come full circle. I started here, and now I'm all the way back to where I started. And just one other thing, because I'm very interested in this. You can confirm that there are, at some level, some type, or be as specific as you want to be, agreements between otherworldly things, whatever they are, wherever their origin is, and the United States government. Right. And in a biblical sense, I don't talk this way in the X spaces and stuff, but the way I look at it is the people that are in agreements are the ones that are demonic, right? these are the ones that were considered the fallen angels and they're trapped here on earth as it says in the bible they were cast down to earth after they were expelled from heaven like a lightning bolt is what it says in the bible and um they've been here ever since and they're just fighting tooth and nail to survive here um and and trying I guess to to reconcile with god but they're not going to get there according to the bible And those are the ones that are so desperate that maybe they've been entering into agreements with us for many, many years. And that's why the satanic cult has been set up. That's why we're seeing things in the political realms is that some of those bodies of people that are aware of this aspect of our world. Yeah, there's a very demonic, very dark side to this, just like it says in the Bible. So if we're talking about agreement, this is not a good thing. no honestly if we're on honestly think about this most of the good angels did not ever the watchers were not even told to interface with us they were here to record our our comings and goings for god and to give like messengers like michael you know gabriel they came to give messages to mary when she was having the baby jesus and every everything so we have angels that give encouraging messages that are on the good side but they're not entering into agreements for technology right and things like this and that's why I think they're the demonics okay this is this is uh one other aspect I just want to touch on and we we can wrap it if if you guys want or if you want to after this um all right we got hang on one more do you think full disclosure might happen by accident Yes. With these things, these beings you think want to reveal themselves. In other words, it would be from their side that this is going to come from versus. Yeah, it's going to be just like it's written in the Bible. It's going to when when God comes and Jesus comes, it's going to be like lightning in the sky. And like it says, you cannot deny that it is now time. It's going to be an intervention. And then you're going to see the good, the bad and the indifferent and everybody that was on the side of the demonic. They're going to despair, and they're going to realize they got it all wrong. It's exactly that way. So it's not going to be an accident. It's going to feel like an accident to a lot of people because it's going to come on a day they didn't expect. And there may be some precursors, but they've ignored them. So maybe to them it feels like an accident. But being a Christian, you should know this is coming. So you don't expect any pre-return of the Lord disclosure on this topic? No. No, it's going to be just like it's in the Bible. It'll be on a day that we don't expect and just be prepared. I got you. And that kind of, Shannon asks us something similar. How does this play into the end of the age, the days ahead? Anything to do with AI? Any thoughts on that? Yes. And I would say that consciousness is a thing for me. And it goes back to biblical things. And When you go into Genesis and you hear about how God describes himself and he calls himself, I am, which is perfect to me. And scientifically, also, I've had discussions with scientists as well since I've been doing this a number of years. They've approached me and we had some really good discussion on this. But think about this. And if you can't if you're not a Christian and you're just listening to this conversation. Think about it scientifically then. Everybody agrees there was nothing before the Big Bang or the big something or other occurs, okay? But it's void. There's no movement. There's no vibration. There's no waves. There's nothing, right? It's infinite, and it's nothing. Something else occurs to that, and the one characteristic that it has, that nothingness has, is it's able to act of its own volition. That, to me, is God. and then from that conscious act things in that void finally moved around and god created everything from it from his own conscious act of knowing he lived I am he he's the beginning of all that in a conscious way so yes consciousness is is also wrapped around ai because if we do ever create a conscious artificial intelligence and we're getting closer and closer every day But, yeah, I agree that AI could be something that also, just like everything else in this world and this universe, is created by God. And AI exists. So I think God knows about it, and he knows that it's there. Now, whether or not he chooses to breathe life into it or not, I don't know. It's our attempt to try to play God or something, right? Right. I think we're going to come up with a – carbon copy but it's not the original when it comes to ai ai will be a carbon copy of what we are that makes sense right even like we're made in the image of god so so forth uh marisol asks so live has stopped I think this is talking about when you're talking about the missing time or the uh when your compatriots were kind of frozen in there when you were encountering that that um Does it feel like talking about the video? I'm not sure. I don't think so. Cause we haven't had any video. I don't quite know what he means by that is. You'll have to restate. Yeah. If you're still there, Marisol, can you clarify that? Appreciate that. One more bond serving. Cause she's always good with the questions. I've read that there's an underground civilization. Do you know anything about that? Do you mean literally under the ground on server? I think it does. Well, in the program, no. I never encountered any evidence that that was the case. However, in the Bible, it does describe a time, I believe when it was Job, the book of Job, and God calls all the angels to him, to his throne, and Lucifer's there. And he asked Lucifer, have you seen my servant Job? and uh there's none like him and uh and he says what have you been doing lucifer says I have been uh walking up and down in the earth so yeah there may be a place down there just like it says and maybe hell is part of it at the very center I've heard horrible things about that from people that have had near-death experiences um that yeah there may be underground stuff that we can't get to I mean we barely scratched the the surface of our world we've only gotten a few miles of the thousands of miles we have to get to to see anything down there you mentioned earlier too with these angels that sinned and were locked up in this place their place is somewhere yes it is and they call it what do they call it uh Was it Sheol? I think it was Sheol, yeah. I think Sheol is the name for that. Yeah, but anyway, there's New Testament names. Yeah, and then you have to get into the nine levels of hell and all this other stuff when you talk about it. We don't have time for that, do we? Probably. Yeah, don't waste your time on all that. Chris, we have talked some about possibly an underground or undersea. Yeah, I mean, I've talked about a lot of stuff, and do you have any experience or knowledge of anything under the ocean? Well, I know that they have tunnel systems in the program. They're very good at doing that, hiding things. I would say that as a military guy, the ocean floor would, again, be a very great place to hide if you wanted to and operate from. So there may be some naval military services that can tell you more and programs that are in the Navy that could say, yeah, we got bases down there. But yeah, I would say that it's quite possible. And if I was from another planet and a watcher, from one of the angel factions that's from God, I might do that too. I could hide just about anywhere or I could be unseen. Who knows? Right. There's a lot of UFOs come up from the ocean. There's a lot of that going on. Yeah, there is. You have a lot of eyewitness accounts of that. You're right. And honestly, I don't think they're all lying either. Even if one of those stories is correct. You got to pay credence to that. All right, we're going to do one more for Bonsai, because I can touch on this a little bit. What do we make of these New Jersey orbs and quote-unquote mystery drones, right? I think it's an operation that's ongoing with the government right now. I think there's been a lot of good reasons of late as to why they would want to at least try out all the tech, because I think I heard from some of the experts that Many of those orbs in New Jersey were from labs and research labs for drones and that they were flying a track that they normally flew on those research flights. And then all of a sudden they're doing it in a mass in mass. So I think it was maybe a test by the government and still is a test to desensitize us to drones, number one, and number two, to test their drones out and see how they do flying around altogether and whether they have a bunch of in flight accidents and things and whether they can conflict all that interesting okay uh one thing I did want to talk about before we go is your younger years again if we could um you had a you had visitors at some point right oh yeah yeah can you you want did you want to discuss that at all Um, yeah, um, my mother was there for both of these, um, but the first encounter with these two individuals that I, well, they're fair skinned, uh, platinum blonde hair, blue eyed. Both of them stood about a little bit, maybe a little over five foot, maybe not quite. How old were you then? I'm sorry. The first encounter I had was when I was four or five years old, walking home from school. I unfortunately ran into a pedophile who was trying to rape me. He knocked me out, but I could still hear what was going on. Hang on a minute. Sorry. Yeah, no worries. That was my cousin. Anyway. You have to go, man. No problem. We can talk. No, no. Well, we're wrapping up here. But anyway, that first encounter, these individuals showed up and saved me from this pedophile. and left me on my doorstep, and I told him I can't see. He touched me on my temple, and I could start to see. It was still kind of blurry, and I could see him. He had blue eyes, all that good stuff that I just told you. And he got in the door, even though it was locked. I didn't give him my key, and he ushered me into the door. And that was about it. And then I turned around, and they were gone. both of them there was two of them they could have been twins they looked very similar but they're not identical twins to me anyway but I had a splitting headache from being knocked out and everything so I just went to sleep um but the next day they came by and asked about me and my mother answered the door this time and it was the same too um And she said that it was all very strange because the same thing happened to her because she turned around to go back and get some tea for them because she was saying, oh, you're the one who helped my son. You know, and she was like, let me get you some tea. And they never came in and she went to the door and it was only just a second or two where we lived back then. the the road just is very straight and uh there's no way they could have hidden really um and they're gone just disappeared on her when she went to the door and she's like oh they buggered off you know um and then the second time was when I was a little bit older when I was ten years old they show up again when we're living in San Jose California and my mother and father were separated at the time and my dad was really pissed because my mother had another child that wasn't his And he just really dumped us in San Jose. And we didn't have very much food and everything else. And again, these two individuals showed up and they look exactly like my mother remembered them back in England, you know, five years earlier, except they had these strange purple or blue rain jackets on, even though it was, you know, warm weather and there was no rain, but they were wearing these things. And they were asking her strange questions about, do you believe in God? very spiritual conversation my mom remembers having with them um and again they would not come in um however after that encounter she says that food started showing up at the doorstep every week uh two bags of groceries every week and so we had some food um and again I think it was them so there there are some protective I I consider them guardian angels you know they all say there's two angels nearby and um For some reason, they've really been protecting my family, I think. Maybe they sent you some money later. Hey, next time, can you drop the food and just give me a million bucks? Right, that year when you were coming up short and that whole thing and the two hundred bucks? I'd be good if you just gave me a million bucks, dude. Just give it a lump sum is fine. I'll take it. Anyway, man, it does kind of sound like that. To be honest with you, what else is a better explanation? I don't know. But there they are. And so you could make a case if you want to put the phenomenon as a single, as a broad term. You've had many encounters with it since you were a small child. Yeah, and like I said, it's just followed me around. My family members have the shared encounters with me, and they also have some of their own. So, yeah, and it's the same thing with friends at church. I mean, some of them have some very strange tales to tell as well. And, you know, I think a lot of times we just parse it away and just go, well, I can't explain it, so... May as well move on and not think about it. I hope that's what, as we thank you for your time very much, my brother, I think maybe that's what I want maybe more than anything else, which is to encourage other Christians to say, you know, I know this type of thing may have happened to you. You can say so now. We can talk about it. It's not going to be unscriptural. No one's going to kick you out of the church, at least not I won't. You definitely have friends here that you can talk to and admit that, yeah, something I didn't get. My message for everybody is, aside from all the talk about UFOs and aliens and all that stuff, forget about all that, everything that I said about that, but just hold on to the fact that if you really believe that God is real, You have to also believe what it says about him, that he is here every second of your day. He's counted every hair on your head. He's, he's seen every moment of your days on this planet, as well as what's happening before and after our life here on earth. Just hang into onto that and realize that God is real. And these strange things where you end up in a good way and there's a blessing. Thank God for that. Honestly, he's real. And he wants to hear that. I mean, who, who, Who's a nice guy out there and does great things for people and doesn't want to hear? Thank you. You know, that's what God lives for. I mean, honestly, he walked in our garden, the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve and answered all their dumb questions. Right. But he did it because why? Because he's Abba. He's our dad. He's our father. He loves us so intensely. And he just wants to hear our thanks and praise for him. Minister Sands, excellent work, sir. And like you said, right from the beginning, right, maybe you did hear dad's voice that day with your sister, right? Yeah, it could be. I don't know. It can manifest in any which way he wants. Abba's voice is comforting and true. Amen. Brother, thank you, Jason. You are welcome here with me and this program or platforms that we can offer anytime you want. Just say the word and we'll be happy to have you. And if anyone else wants to reach out, you can catch Jason on X. The link is below. I'm also going to add his Instagram and TikTok if you're interested in that. um so catch up with jason on those platforms he his dms are open I believe right you can send a message yep you can send me messages yep uh please I blocked you for being a bad person yeah Be bad, be blocked. But the assumption is you're not. So definitely go reach out to them. There's links below for some more resources on the work that I've done here on this topic. And again, reach out to Jason. And this isn't over, guys. We're on a team, right? We're all part of the same family. We're all part of the same team. We're getting to the truth here together. Like you said, man, lean on the Lord. Jesus knows our hearts. We're good to go. Just buckle in. As you know, Chris, there's more to the story as well as other encounters I told you about, but we didn't discuss here. So there's more to come later. Amen. Anytime you want, man. And thank you to Taryn and all who are helping out tonight. There she is. She would dig to see you back here. So she's the boss. I have to come back now. Thanks, T-Rex. Very good. Jason Sands, thank you, my brother. We will speak very soon, my friend. Thank you for having me here, Chris. It was good to speak on this topic. Yes, sir. Amen. And it's not the last. All right, friends. See below for links. Check them out. We've got a course. We've got books. We've got all that stuff. Get in touch with Jason. We're just getting started here. This has been Unsealed, a very special edition with Jason Sands. I'm Christopher Manti. And until next time, stay in the Word of God. Stay in the voice of God. The Holy Spirit will be with you every second of every day like we just heard our brother say. So until next time. This is Wings of the Eagle.